View Poll Results: Is alcohol abuse a disability; do you agree or disagree with the EEOC?

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  • I agree alcohol abuse is a disability, I disagree with the EEOC position

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  • I disagree that alcohol abuse is a disability, I agree with the EEOC position

    2 4.55%
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    Re: Is alcohol abuse a "disability"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    Let's refine that to those who abuse their bodies in a way that may affect their job performance. Similar to the alcoholic having a driving job, I often wonder why you see so many fat security guards. I'd rather them be paid to work out under supervision several hours a week than be so fat they couldn't catch a criminal/troublemaker.
    I'll repeat - the ADA has safety exceptions that allow employers to re-assign workers into jobs where they dont endanger the public. In this specific case, the ADS allows the employer to re-assign the driver into a position that does not require driving.
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    Re: Is alcohol abuse a "disability"?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I'll repeat - the ADA has safety exceptions that allow employers to re-assign workers into jobs where they dont endanger the public. In this specific case, the ADS allows the employer to re-assign the driver into a position that does not require driving.
    That may or may not be possible for the employer. There may be no jobs which they are qualified for, or the ones they qualify for are filled. If I hire someone as a driver and I find they're no longer qualified for that position, I shouldn't be obligated to find them a new position. Furthermore, if they're going to be moved to a new position with lower standard pay, they can either take the lower salary or choose to go find a new job.
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    Re: Is alcohol abuse a "disability"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    That may or may not be possible for the employer. There may be no jobs which they are qualified for, or the ones they qualify for are filled. If I hire someone as a driver and I find they're no longer qualified for that position, I shouldn't be obligated to find them a new position. Furthermore, if they're going to be moved to a new position with lower standard pay, they can either take the lower salary or choose to go find a new job.
    Read the article!

    The employer DOES have a job for the driver
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    Re: Is alcohol abuse a "disability"?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Read the article!

    The employer DOES have a job for the driver
    I don't need to read the article, because I'm speaking in general.
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    Re: Is alcohol abuse a "disability"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    I don't need to read the article, because I'm speaking in general.
    The ADA doesn't apply to small businesses. Businesses with more than 50 employees tend to have more than one type of job to offer employees, and jobs tend to open up regularly. There's turnover.

    Also, the ADA only requires reasonable accomodations, not accomodations to every fictional circumstance it's opponents can dream up
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    Re: Is alcohol abuse a "disability"?

    "reasonable" accommodations is subjective. Lots of room for interpretations.
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    Re: Is alcohol abuse a "disability"?

    Quote Originally Posted by evanescence View Post
    "reasonable" accommodations is subjective. Lots of room for interpretations.
    No it's not. This is just another case of you making up definitions to suit your argument, just as you attempted to re-define the word "disability" to mean something the disabled person had no fault in creating with their choices, a daffynition you dropped when I pointed out all the diseases (heart disease, diabetes, etc) that a persons' choices affect
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    Re: Is alcohol abuse a "disability"?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    No it's not. This is just another case of you making up definitions to suit your argument, just as you attempted to re-define the word "disability" to mean something the disabled person had no fault in creating with their choices, a daffynition you dropped when I pointed out all the diseases (heart disease, diabetes, etc) that a persons' choices affect
    Yes it is. And I haven't made up definitions here or in any other thread. Please don't lie or misrepresent my actions. I also haven't "dropped anything."

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    Re: Is alcohol abuse a "disability"?

    Quote Originally Posted by evanescence View Post
    "reasonable" accommodations is subjective. Lots of room for interpretations.
    Actually, I agree with you, here.
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    Re: Is alcohol abuse a "disability"?

    Quote Originally Posted by evanescence View Post
    Yes it is. And I haven't made up definitions here or in any other thread. Please don't lie or misrepresent my actions. I also haven't "dropped anything."

    "Reasonable accommodations" can be interpreted in a number of ways by either the employer or the employee.
    Agreed. Just because the Commission (Committee, whatever) declares a given action reasonable or unreasonable, does not mean that it is or isn't. That simply becomes the EEOC's interpretation. Granted it's an interpretation that has the weight of law behind it, but it's still just an interpretation. If both the driver and the employer felt that what the employer had done was alright because anything else was beyond reasonable, then the EEOC would never even get involved because the two interpretations matched, even though they did not match the EEOC's.

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