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Thread: Is alcohol abuse a "disability"?

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    Re: Is alcohol abuse a "disability"?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    That's the thing though, most other diseases require extraordinary measures to battle their symptoms as well as the disease itself. People suffering those actual diseases have to make the decision to go through treatment or not. In the case of alcoholism, the "victim" actually has to choose to engage in the destructive behavior that makes them so called victims in the first place. Not only that, but an alcoholic's disease makes victims of other people who don't even have it.
    Which is why I believe that alcoholism isn't a disease. Yes, a disability can result from alcohol abuse, but because the person must first make the decision to begin drinking, I do not consider it a true disability. Some people become addicted to substances more easily than others, but many people are aware of their own propensity to become addicted because of family history. Recklessly ignoring that is foolish and destructive behavior. Why should such individuals garnish protection because of their own selfish and foolish actions?
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    Re: Is alcohol abuse a "disability"?

    Can we make being high a disability, too? Hey, maybe we can make everything a disability in the future. (sarcasm) But seriously, it does seem that way. Where did responsibility fly off to?

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    Re: Is alcohol abuse a "disability"?

    Quote Originally Posted by GreenvilleGrows View Post
    Tough issue. But, I do wonder about how we prioritize who's supposed to be taken care of and who's obligated to do the taking care. Why does the company have a responsibility for taking care of the alcoholic? Did it cause his alcoholism? It's one thing if a person was injured on the job, but if they're injured off the clock, what makes the place of employment have any liability? If I paralyze myself from the neck down while snow boarding, should my construction company have to support me? Maybe they should have to insure their employees - or maybe the employee should have to have insurance to work for the employer.

    If I am one of three employees working for a sole proprietor, and my alcoholism makes me unable to do my job, but paying for my problems puts my boss out of business is that right? What if I have 2 siblings and one living parent? Would they have equal responsibility, or is it just the employer? What about 3 strangers who live in my neighborhood, would they have legal responsibility (ie government support)? We have a lot of sick and needy - where does the alcoholic rank next to the war veteran or the downs child? What if I can't stop lying or stealing? Who should support me? What if I can't be relied upon? Is that enough of a compulsive behavior?

    I am NOT minimizing the hurt, sorrow, and difficulty of alcoholism. I'm just wondering when my misfortune automatically becomes a burden to others, how much misfortune is enough to qualify, and how much can I contribute to my own misfortune and still have it count as misfortune.
    Disability doesn't mean "someone else has to take care of you" or "someone else has to pay for your care" or "someone elses' burden"
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    Re: Is alcohol abuse a "disability"?

    Quote Originally Posted by evanescence View Post
    Which is why I believe that alcoholism isn't a disease. Yes, a disability can result from alcohol abuse, but because the person must first make the decision to begin drinking, I do not consider it a true disability. Some people become addicted to substances more easily than others, but many people are aware of their own propensity to become addicted because of family history. Recklessly ignoring that is foolish and destructive behavior. Why should such individuals garnish protection because of their own selfish and foolish actions?
    The same is true for most cases of heart disease, diabetes, and a number of other conditions. People know their family has a history of these diseases, but they eat unhealthy foods anyway. Not only that, but our tax dollars go to subsidizing many of those unhealthy foods making it cheaper to eat those foods.
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    Re: Is alcohol abuse a "disability"?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Disability doesn't mean "someone else has to take care of you" or "someone else has to pay for your care" or "someone elses' burden"
    Who pays for those with disabilities? Does any of it come from taxes?

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    Re: Is alcohol abuse a "disability"?

    You know, alcohol is a disability in the sense that alcoholics need treatment. However, this is also about making a choice in life. Bottom line is that I would no more trust an alcoholic driving a bus than I would a pedophile teaching in a classroom full of kids.
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    Re: Is alcohol abuse a "disability"?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The same is true for most cases of heart disease, diabetes, and a number of other conditions. People know their family has a history of these diseases, but they eat unhealthy foods anyway. Not only that, but our tax dollars go to subsidizing many of those unhealthy foods making it cheaper to eat those foods.
    If someone abuses their body, they are not entitled to protection against being fired. I make no exceptions. However, I do not agree with the qualifier "most." "Many" would be more accurate in this case.
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    Re: Is alcohol abuse a "disability"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Who pays for those with disabilities? Does any of it come from taxes?
    Your question is inane

    Everyone pays their own way and everyone uses resources provided by the govt
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    Re: Is alcohol abuse a "disability"?

    Quote Originally Posted by evanescence View Post
    If someone abuses their body, they are not entitled to protection against being fired. I make no exceptions. However, I do not agree with the qualifier "most." "Many" would be more accurate in this case.
    So it's OK for an employer to fire someone for eating a cheeseburger?

    Employees with heart disease increase the medical costs of providing coverage for their employees, and unhealthy eating is one the most important factors in causing heart disease (as well as diabetes). Using your illogic, it's OK for bosses to fire employees who aren't on a low fat diet

    That's absurd
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    Re: Is alcohol abuse a "disability"?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    So it's OK for an employer to fire someone for eating a cheeseburger?

    Employees with heart disease increase the medical costs of providing coverage for their employees, and unhealthy eating is one the most important factors in causing heart disease (as well as diabetes). Using your illogic, it's OK for bosses to fire employees who aren't on a low fat diet

    That's absurd
    Let's refine that to those who abuse their bodies in a way that may affect their job performance. Similar to the alcoholic having a driving job, I often wonder why you see so many fat security guards. I'd rather them be paid to work out under supervision several hours a week than be so fat they couldn't catch a criminal/troublemaker.
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