View Poll Results: Is alcohol abuse a disability; do you agree or disagree with the EEOC?

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  • I disagree that alcohol abuse is a disability, I agree with the EEOC position

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Thread: Is alcohol abuse a "disability"?

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    Re: Is alcohol abuse a "disability"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    The only difference is that you've latched on to a more emotionally charged example in order to engage in an appeal to emotion fallacy.

    My opinion is that if the driver is sober, then the driver is not violating laws or the terms of his employment. If you would argue otherwise, cite some studies that show the addiction alone is an impairment to driving performance even in the absence of the intoxicating substance. If that theory is supported by peer reviewed studies, I will reconsider.
    and if the pedophile keeps his hands to himself, then neither is he breaking any laws. doesn't mean a day-care should hire the fool, though.
    the same thing could be said of a bank hiring a person, who in his past, has been a known and convicted thief. maybe this person would never steal again; but are you
    saying the bank should be forced to hire this person based on a "maybe"? the fact is: this should be a decision left to an employer, not barack obama's criminal ass.
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    Re: Is alcohol abuse a "disability"?

    Quote Originally Posted by lewstherin View Post
    and if the pedophile keeps his hands to himself, then neither is he breaking any laws. doesn't mean a day-care should hire the fool, though.
    the same thing could be said of a bank hiring a person, who in his past, has been a known and convicted thief. maybe this person would never steal again; but are you
    saying the bank should be forced to hire this person based on a "maybe"? the fact is: this should be a decision left to an employer, not barack obama's criminal ass.
    Does the driver in question have a history of driving while intoxicated? If so, I could certainly see not hiring him as a driver. If not, your example is poorly constructed.

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    Re: Is alcohol abuse a "disability"?

    Perhaps intensive screening for alcoholic drivers are in order before every time they drive? The focus should be the prevention of loss of life. I think we can all agree to that.

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    Re: Is alcohol abuse a "disability"?

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    Some things are just too easy to let go...



    If it is against company policy to allow alcoholics to drive, then by admitting that he was an alcoholic he outright stated that his driving would be against company policy.
    And some things are so obviously made up

    The company has no such policy because under the ADA it is illegal to have such a policy. You just made that policy up out of thin air
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    Re: Is alcohol abuse a "disability"?

    Quote Originally Posted by evanescence View Post
    People with addictions will always be at higher risk. If he had sought treatment for alcohol abuse, that obviously means that he is at higher risk for a DWI, whether he has had one in the past or not. Don't people understand the concept of risk?
    People with diabetes will always be at higher risk. If he had sought treatment for diabetes, that obviously means that he is at higher risk for passing out while driving, whether he has had one in the past or not. Don't people understand the concept of risk?

    When it comes to driving, the facts show that males are higher risks. Maybe they should fire all their male drivers? Maybe we shouldn't allow males to drive at all?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    Any alcoholic may choose to drive drunk. Should we reconsider issuing licenses to anyone who may theoretically choose to drive under the influence?

    Likewise, many heterosexual men find 18 year old women attractive. Shall we prevent males from teaching high school?
    All sort of conditions can make someone a higher risk. Maybe we should just prohibit people with diabetes and heart disease from ever driving
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    Re: Is alcohol abuse a "disability"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    Does the driver in question have a history of driving while intoxicated? If so, I could certainly see not hiring him as a driver. If not, your example is poorly constructed.
    So I'm guessing you have no opinion on my question?

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    Re: Is alcohol abuse a "disability"?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    So I'm guessing you have no opinion on my question?
    I don't participate in appeal to emotion / appeal to spite fallacy-based debating strategies.

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    Re: Is alcohol abuse a "disability"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    I don't participate in appeal to emotion / appeal to spite fallacy-based debating strategies.
    So I'll (and I imagine most everyone else) will take that as a "no" you wouldn't allow it.

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    Re: Is alcohol abuse a "disability"?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    So I'll (and I imagine most everyone else) will take that as a "no" you wouldn't allow it.
    Imagine away!!

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    Re: Is alcohol abuse a "disability"?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    People with diabetes will always be at higher risk. If he had sought treatment for diabetes, that obviously means that he is at higher risk for passing out while driving, whether he has had one in the past or not. Don't people understand the concept of risk?

    When it comes to driving, the facts show that males are higher risks. Maybe they should fire all their male drivers? Maybe we shouldn't allow males to drive at all?



    All sort of conditions can make someone a higher risk. Maybe we should just prohibit people with diabetes and heart disease from ever driving
    Wait- did he just compare diabetes and heart disease to alcoholism?
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