View Poll Results: Is alcohol abuse a disability; do you agree or disagree with the EEOC?

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  • I agree alcohol abuse is a disability, I agree with the EEOC position

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  • I agree alcohol abuse is a disability, I disagree with the EEOC position

    3 6.82%
  • I disagree that alcohol abuse is a disability, I agree with the EEOC position

    2 4.55%
  • I disagree that alcohol abuse is a disability, I disagree with the EEOC position

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Thread: Is alcohol abuse a "disability"?

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    Re: Is alcohol abuse a "disability"?

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    What?? Of course it puts the employer out. They have to put this worker into some job, which means either firing someone else (not likely - employers really don't like firing innocent people for something someone else has done) or creating a make-work job that they don't need just so that this employee can work.
    Huh? No, normally they would just keep them in their own job. But even in the unusual situation where there is such a serious safety concern with their current job that they wouldn't even let a recovered alcoholic hold it and they needed to move them into another job, then that opens up their current job, so it would just be shifting people around, not firing anybody...

    How come no matter what the issue is, you always come out on the side of favoring corporations crushing human beings for no real reason? You're a human being, no? You just want things to be worse for everybody? You're some kind of anti-hero?
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    Re: Is alcohol abuse a "disability"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Because it can be treated and cured with reasonable medical intervention.
    Alcoholism can be controlled, NOT cured, not yet.
    This is my opinion, could well be fact...

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    Re: Is alcohol abuse a "disability"?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Huh? No, normally they would just keep them in their own job. But even in the unusual situation where there is such a serious safety concern with their current job that they wouldn't even let a recovered alcoholic hold it and they needed to move them into another job, then that opens up their current job, so it would just be shifting people around, not firing anybody...
    What if they're not qualified to do another job? What if the only thing they are capable of doing is the job for which they are no longer qualified?
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    Re: Is alcohol abuse a "disability"?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    No, it isn't helping them, it's just not hurting them. It doesn't put the employer out any, since they only need to keep them employed if they really kick the booze for good.
    I would suggest that it definitely does hurt them. It forces them to put an employee in a job they may not be qualified for, or to create a job for them which is not what they were initially hired to do. It also forces them to provide additional oversight to ensure the employee is doing the job, and not falling into their old ways.

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    Re: Is alcohol abuse a "disability"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    I would suggest that it definitely does hurt them. It forces them to put an employee in a job they may not be qualified for, or to create a job for them which is not what they were initially hired to do. It also forces them to provide additional oversight to ensure the employee is doing the job, and not falling into their old ways.
    If someone else would do the job better then the drinking doesn't even matter: someone else would be better . . . no debating.
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    Re: Is alcohol abuse a "disability"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    I would suggest that it definitely does hurt them. It forces them to put an employee in a job they may not be qualified for, or to create a job for them which is not what they were initially hired to do. It also forces them to provide additional oversight to ensure the employee is doing the job, and not falling into their old ways.
    Keep them in a job they might not be qualified for? What do you mean? They can fire them for not being qualified just like usual, they just can't fire them for drinking if they get treatment and manage to kick it.

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    Re: Is alcohol abuse a "disability"?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Keep them in a job they might not be qualified for? What do you mean? They can fire them for not being qualified just like usual, they just can't fire them for drinking if they get treatment and manage to kick it.
    And what do you do with them between the time you find out they are drinking and the time they seek treatment and complete it? Can you fire them if they have not kicked it at the time of their termination?
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    Re: Is alcohol abuse a "disability"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    What if they're not qualified to do another job? What if the only thing they are capable of doing is the job for which they are no longer qualified?
    You guys are really fixating on this scenario where they need to switch jobs... That is a very oddball exception to the rule. Virtually always they would just keep them in the same job. The law makes exceptions for safety concerns, in which case they can be fired. The only time this oddball scenario would come up is if they employer thinks there is a safety concern that the EEOC doesn't think is legit... So to evaluate the policy based primarily on this 1 in a million quirky scenario makes no sense. The solution to these kinds of exceptions is either for the EEOC to expand its safety exception or for employers not to overreact. I don't know. But either way, evaluating the policy on this bizarre exception, that's like deciding what house you want to buy based primarily on whether or not they previous owner is willing to leave their door mat behind for you.

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    Re: Is alcohol abuse a "disability"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    And what do you do with them between the time you find out they are drinking and the time they seek treatment and complete it? Can you fire them if they have not kicked it at the time of their termination?
    Time between when you find out and when they seek treatment? I'm not sure what you mean. You find out and tell them that they have to get treatment or you will fire them. They do one or the other immediately. If they say they'll seek treatment, but don't, you fire them.

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    Re: Is alcohol abuse a "disability"?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Huh? No, normally they would just keep them in their own job. But even in the unusual situation where there is such a serious safety concern with their current job that they wouldn't even let a recovered alcoholic hold it and they needed to move them into another job, then that opens up their current job, so it would just be shifting people around, not firing anybody...
    Do you really believe that this company has trained and licensed long-haul truckers just sitting around doing bookkeeping or doing warehouse work? It's more likely than not that they'll have to hire someone with his qualifications to take over his job but now they need to find something for this man to do that doesn't use his skill set.

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