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    Re: Eric Cantor And Disaster Relief

    Quote Originally Posted by SeattleRain View Post
    And the only programs America can think to cut from are social programs? How about taxing the rich as well as corporations? Legalize Marijuana and tax it? Bring jobs back to America so the unemployed can go back to work? RAISE wages to a 'living' ones so all these people out here working low paying -though important- jobs can make enough money to live and not NEED to ask for 'handouts'?

    Perhaps the CEO of Walmart wouldn't have to consider their employees as "freeloaders" if Walmart paid a little better? A Fast food franchise owner making 300k a year kicks their own min wage employees around for needing 'handouts' and getting most of their income taxes back, but refuses to ask million/billionaires to pay more! Why is the bulk of the burden placed on the shoulders of the needy?

    People need to take "personal responsibility" I hear. Fine, fair enough. But why doesn't that same 'personal responsibility' apply to the Rich?

    And as far as "state and local" Governments helping with disaster clean up and helping the poor, just where are they going to get their money? For all the good CPS does, have you any idea of what a complete MESS the system is? Its a state program and not a single state can get its crap together... I'd hate to see the fallout should Federal Funding be taken away.

    I've said it before and Ill say it again. You have to have a better plan than "State Government" or "Private Organisation" as an answer when asked how things will be paid for. It's a shallow answer and people need more than that.
    Ok you seem to like our deficet spending. You miss understood. I said we need to provide state/local with assistance ."Yes, we need disaster assistance to local, county and State level.

    So you support continue deficit spending?
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    Re: Eric Cantor And Disaster Relief

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Fast food jobs were NEVER intended to be a job you get to support your family on. They are introductory jobs, You know, there is no way you would go in and pay $7.50 for your Big Mac.

    Where exactly do you think federal funding comes from? It comes from the people in the states.



    Perhaps so but we are having this discussion because the federal government has done a piss poor job at handling the money they have been gave.
    I am aware of this. But the REALITY IS, people do depend on those kinds of jobs. Even more-so since so many people have lost their jobs, homes & savings. What was "intended" and what really happened are two very different things. And young, single people working min wage jobs have to be able to get an education of some sort if they plan to make more money someday. So if you take away Federal Student loans and keep paying them crappy wages - even as the cost of living rises - how are they going to rise above min wage jobs?

    Also, I personally know a thing or two about McDonalds wealth. Franchise owners depend on those "dead end" positions for their wealth, and the corporation depends on the franchise for its wealth. So dont be so quick to insult, and crap all over the very people who keep the rich mans business from circling the drain by handling the daily operations and providing quality service that brings customers - and their money - back.

    ... all for a crappy 7.25, mind you.

    A little FYI: there was a time my husband and I made 90k a year. In a matter of months the housing market went to crap and everything changed for the construction industry. So, he went to work off shore in the Gulf tearing down broken oil rigs for a "dead end" 9 bucks per hour. 12 hours a day, 7 days a week. He didn't sit around on his hind playing victim or blaming illegals .. he went 2k miles away for a juicy 9 bucks per hour so his family could stay afloat. Overtime pay is truly a treasure, 1Perry. Anyhow, that was a long time ago ... still, you shouldn't be so condescending when it comes to min wage workers.

    Honestly, people should be paid a living wage. I dont know for sure how it would work since the cost of living varies, but perhaps it could be regional. I do know that 15.00 per hour goes a bit further in Oklahoma than it does in WA State. We have a higher sales tax, higher rent, higher cost to buy a home, more people and so on. Same can be said for a lot of states. And dont forget, "low income" people pay regressive taxes. So really, when it's all said and done, there isn't a whole lot of money left. God forbid they be struck with a terminal illness.

    Lastly, Federal funding comes from Tax Payers. I am aware of this as well. So ... pay them more and they wont "get so much back". Voilą!
    Will the states not have a heavy tax since there will be no Fed Gov to help fund things? Or will the mysterious "private organizations" fund everything for their states citizens? Who will fund the "private organizations" I wonder?
    And yes, the Government doesn't always budget very well and could use reform, but even that's not good enough of an answer. Why give us the obvious when what we're asking for are solutions?

    Depth would help.
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    Re: Eric Cantor And Disaster Relief

    Quote Originally Posted by SeattleRain View Post
    I am aware of this. But the REALITY IS, people do depend on those kinds of jobs. Even more-so since so many people have lost their jobs, homes & savings. What was "intended" and what really happened are two very different things. And young, single people working min wage jobs have to be able to get an education of some sort if they plan to make more money someday. So if you take away Federal Student loans and keep paying them crappy wages - even as the cost of living rises - how are they going to rise above min wage jobs?
    If you want Federal Student Loans, cut something else out. How many loans could we make with what the bombs dropped on Libya cost? The arguement is not that these things should not be available, it's that they must somehow be paid for.

    Also, I personally know a thing or two about McDonalds wealth. Franchise owners depend on those "dead end" positions for their wealth, and the corporation depends on the franchise for its wealth. So dont be so quick to insult, and crap all over the very people who keep the rich mans business from circling the drain by handling the daily operations and providing quality service that brings customers - and their money - back.
    Crap on? I've worked those jobs also. There is nothing wrong with these sorts of jobs. The only problem is in thinking one should be able to live off of them. In the end it's also all a viscous circle. Raise the wage to $15.00 an hour, the guy making $15 an hour demands $20 because his standard of living has taken a huge hit and so on to where the person making $15 an hour is in the same position the person making $7.25 is now.

    ... all for a crappy 7.25, mind you.
    You are running a cash register. A needed job but hardly one that should be anything but what it is.

    A little FYI: there was a time my husband and I made 90k a year. In a matter of months the housing market went to crap and everything changed for the construction industry. So, he went to work off shore in the Gulf tearing down broken oil rigs for a "dead end" 9 bucks per hour. 12 hours a day, 7 days a week. He didn't sit around on his hind playing victim or blaming illegals .. he went 2k miles away for a juicy 9 bucks per hour so his family could stay afloat. Overtime pay is truly a treasure, 1Perry. Anyhow, that was a long time ago ... still, you shouldn't be so condescending when it comes to min wage workers.
    LOL. I said that there is a place for minimum wage jobs. I was really appreciative for the ones I had. I have no idea where you get condescending.

    Honestly, people should be paid a living wage. I dont know for sure how it would work since the cost of living varies, but perhaps it could be regional. I do know that 15.00 per hour goes a bit further in Oklahoma than it does in WA State. We have a higher sales tax, higher rent, higher cost to buy a home, more people and so on. Same can be said for a lot of states. And dont forget, "low income" people pay regressive taxes. So really, when it's all said and done, there isn't a whole lot of money left. God forbid they be struck with a terminal illness.
    There is only one way I can put this......It's the pinnacle of stupidity to believe that every job available should pay enough for a person to live on.

    Lastly, Federal funding comes from Tax Payers. I am aware of this as well. So ... pay them more and they wont "get so much back". Voilą!
    Will the states not have a heavy tax since there will be no Fed Gov to help fund things? Or will the mysterious "private organizations" fund everything for their states citizens? Who will fund the "private organizations" I wonder?
    And yes, the Government doesn't always budget very well and could use reform, but even that's not good enough of an answer. Why give us the obvious when what we're asking for are solutions?
    My god, just pay them more? Are you blonde? Look, I realize that is offensive on many levels but that's all I can do and not get more offensive.

    Depth would help.
    Across the board cuts and then you have two choices. Do things poorly but do less of it or do the same number of things but so them more efficiently.

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    Re: Eric Cantor And Disaster Relief

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    Ok you seem to like our deficet spending. You miss understood. I said we need to provide state/local with assistance ."Yes, we need disaster assistance to local, county and State level.

    So you support continue deficit spending?
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    Re: Eric Cantor And Disaster Relief

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    If you want Federal Student Loans, cut something else out. How many loans could we make with what the bombs dropped on Libya cost? The arguement is not that these things should not be available, it's that they must somehow be paid for.



    Crap on? I've worked those jobs also. There is nothing wrong with these sorts of jobs. The only problem is in thinking one should be able to live off of them. In the end it's also all a viscous circle. Raise the wage to $15.00 an hour, the guy making $15 an hour demands $20 because his standard of living has taken a huge hit and so on to where the person making $15 an hour is in the same position the person making $7.25 is now.



    You are running a cash register. A needed job but hardly one that should be anything but what it is.



    LOL. I said that there is a place for minimum wage jobs. I was really appreciative for the ones I had. I have no idea where you get condescending.



    There is only one way I can put this......It's the pinnacle of stupidity to believe that every job available should pay enough for a person to live on.



    My god, just pay them more? Are you blonde? Look, I realize that is offensive on many levels but that's all I can do and not get more offensive.



    Across the board cuts and then you have two choices. Do things poorly but do less of it or do the same number of things but so them more efficiently.
    :: rolls eyes :: When i said "pay them more" .. "them" means "the workers" .

    And whats with the 'You' references? "You're running a register" ... ? You dont know what I do. lol
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    Re: Eric Cantor And Disaster Relief

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    It certainly depends on the state of the country. What may be un-winable today may change in the future.
    You might be right, but I seriously doubt it. This position of Cantor is extreme and comes from the Tea Party.

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    Re: Eric Cantor And Disaster Relief

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Crap on? I've worked those jobs also. There is nothing wrong with these sorts of jobs. The only problem is in thinking one should be able to live off of them. In the end it's also all a viscous circle. Raise the wage to $15.00 an hour, the guy making $15 an hour demands $20 because his standard of living has taken a huge hit and so on to where the person making $15 an hour is in the same position the person making $7.25 is now.
    The only way that the "it's not designed to be a living wage" argument could possibly be true is if low-paying jobs are necessarily high-turnover jobs. While this is true per se, high turnover decreases productivity. It is in an employer's best interest to lower turnover. And high wages are a very overrated problem, IMO.

    Do you have an unbiased source to back up your slippery-slope argument? And even if it were true, so what? You think people are going to ask their bosses NOT to raise their wages?
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    Re: Eric Cantor And Disaster Relief

    Quote Originally Posted by SeattleRain View Post
    :: rolls eyes :: When i said "pay them more" .. "them" means "the workers" .
    Yes, it just shows how clueless you are about how things work.

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    Re: Eric Cantor And Disaster Relief

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    The only way that the "it's not designed to be a living wage" argument could possibly be true is if low-paying jobs are necessarily high-turnover jobs. While this is true per se, high turnover decreases productivity. It is in an employer's best interest to lower turnover. And high wages are a very overrated problem, IMO.
    In many cases that is true. Not when you can train someone in a short period of time. The step son is working at Subway. He was complaining about have two new trainee's. They both were trained and working on their own in one day. People are not going to pay $12.50 for a sub either.

    Do you have an unbiased source to back up your slippery-slope argument? And even if it were true, so what? You think people are going to ask their bosses NOT to raise their wages?
    So what? I posted so what. In no time the $15.00 an hour sub maker is right back in the position he is now when everyone else gets their raises.

    It's easy to prove me wrong though. Open a sub shop and pay your workers $15.00, provide health care for them and a pension plan. When you succeed, you've proven me wrong.

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    Re: Eric Cantor And Disaster Relief

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    In many cases that is true. Not when you can train someone in a short period of time. The step son is working at Subway. He was complaining about have two new trainee's. They both were trained and working on their own in one day. People are not going to pay $12.50 for a sub either.
    False choice. Even manual labor has a learning curve.

    So what? I posted so what. In no time the $15.00 an hour sub maker is right back in the position he is now when everyone else gets their raises.

    It's easy to prove me wrong though. Open a sub shop and pay your workers $15.00, provide health care for them and a pension plan. When you succeed, you've proven me wrong.
    Again, a claim that requires proof. Got some?
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