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    Re: Eric Cantor And Disaster Relief

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    I don't think he is seeing bad in everyone. When I saw the 250K loan statement when making 25K, made me think of the US govt.
    How much more do you want to go in debt as a country? We are trillions in the hole, are currently borrowing 40c on every dollar the Feds spend. We should put Americans first, yet we spend billions elsewhere, on pork projects, etc. We have to get our fiscal house in order or we will go down the tubes.

    Yes, we need disaster assistance to local, county and State level. Yes, some private citizens needs help. We just can't keep printing and spendin money at the federal level at the rate we are.
    And the only programs America can think to cut from are social programs? How about taxing the rich as well as corporations? Legalize Marijuana and tax it? Bring jobs back to America so the unemployed can go back to work? RAISE wages to a 'living' ones so all these people out here working low paying -though important- jobs can make enough money to live and not NEED to ask for 'handouts'?

    Perhaps the CEO of Walmart wouldn't have to consider their employees as "freeloaders" if Walmart paid a little better? A Fast food franchise owner making 300k a year kicks their own min wage employees around for needing 'handouts' and getting most of their income taxes back, but refuses to ask million/billionaires to pay more! Why is the bulk of the burden placed on the shoulders of the needy?

    People need to take "personal responsibility" I hear. Fine, fair enough. But why doesn't that same 'personal responsibility' apply to the Rich?

    And as far as "state and local" Governments helping with disaster clean up and helping the poor, just where are they going to get their money? For all the good CPS does, have you any idea of what a complete MESS the system is? Its a state program and not a single state can get its crap together... I'd hate to see the fallout should Federal Funding be taken away.

    I've said it before and Ill say it again. You have to have a better plan than "State Government" or "Private Organisation" as an answer when asked how things will be paid for. It's a shallow answer and people need more than that.
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    Re: Eric Cantor And Disaster Relief

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    I kind of agree with that. My point is that the same people who go to Tea Party rallies and moan about "big government spending" are the first ones in line when something happens to them. It wasn't that long ago that we had a whole thread on here with Conservatives lamenting lack of Federal action on wildfires in Texas. The same people who say things about how "the government isn't responsible for you, blah blah.."

    Just wait until there's a natural disaster in Cantor's district. I bet he'll be the first one looking to get Federal money.
    and I'll go further and say that the very people screaming "big Government" expect the same "big Government" to define and regulate something so personal as marriage. They insist "big Government" cant force them to wait a week to get a gun, but expect the same "big Government' to force women into giving birth.
    Also, I have family in MS screaming 'big government' who gladly collected FEMA after Katrina.. even had the nerve to complain when they had to use their own retirement money to pay for whatever FEMA wouldn't.

    Just wait till they have to depend on Haley Barbour for help. He'll tell them to bolt their dresser to the wall and say a prayer... that's about it

    Anyway, the inconsistency is enough to keep a person spinning endlessly ... never mind the issues.
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    Re: Eric Cantor And Disaster Relief

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    I can agree with the greatest nation, don't think we are the richest. We borrow 40c of each dollar spent by the feds, we are trillions in debt. How is that rich?
    You can't measure the wealth of a nation by what it owes, our debt is just a very small pittance what we're worth. Trust me.

    So you want us to continue to spend the way we are going and cover all disasters on top of it. So we incease our debt to future generations. How about balancing our budget, get rid of the debt and live within our means. We should get loans on amounts we can reasonably afford to pay back.
    In my opinion, the Federal Government should help it's citizens when it's warranted. If part of California fell into the Pacific Ocean, I would expect the Government to help. The same thing if a terrorist set off a Nuke.

    We need to cover disasters. Some of it can be planned for based on past history of events. When the amount is exceeded Congress needs to redirect funds and stay within budget. It is a matter of priorities. We do it as individuals, the govt. should be also.
    I disagree.

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    Re: Eric Cantor And Disaster Relief

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    I kind of agree with that. My point is that the same people who go to Tea Party rallies and moan about "big government spending" are the first ones in line when something happens to them.
    You are certainly free to state an opinion here.

    It wasn't that long ago that we had a whole thread on here with Conservatives lamenting lack of Federal action on wildfires in Texas. The same people who say things about how "the government isn't responsible for you, blah blah.."

    Just wait until there's a natural disaster in Cantor's district. I bet he'll be the first one looking to get Federal money.
    He might be and hopefully at that time we will have our debt more in line and can afford to. The arguement is not that it's bad to help out. They arguement is it's bad to continue spending with no regard to our debt situation.

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    Re: Eric Cantor And Disaster Relief

    Quote Originally Posted by SeattleRain View Post
    [FONT=Lucida Sans Unicode]And the only programs America can think to cut from are social programs? How about taxing the rich as well as corporations? Legalize Marijuana and tax it? Bring jobs back to America so the unemployed can go back to work? RAISE wages to a 'living' ones so all these people out here working low paying -though important- jobs can make enough money to live and not NEED to ask for 'handouts'?

    Perhaps the CEO of Walmart wouldn't have to consider their employees as "freeloaders" if Walmart paid a little better? A Fast food franchise owner making 300k a year kicks their own min wage employees around for needing 'handouts' and getting most of their income taxes back, but refuses to ask million/billionaires to pay more! Why is the bulk of the burden placed on the shoulders of the needy?
    Fast food jobs were NEVER intended to be a job you get to support your family on. They are introductory jobs, You know, there is no way you would go in and pay $7.50 for your Big Mac.

    And as far as "state and local" Governments helping with disaster clean up and helping the poor, just where are they going to get their money? For all the good CPS does, have you any idea of what a complete MESS the system is? Its a state program and not a single state can get its crap together... I'd hate to see the fallout should Federal Funding be taken away.
    Where exactly do you think federal funding comes from? It comes from the people in the states.

    I've said it before and Ill say it again. You have to have a better plan than "State Government" or "Private Organisation" as an answer when asked how things will be paid for. It's a shallow answer and people need more than that.
    Perhaps so but we are having this discussion because the federal government has done a piss poor job at handling the money they have been gave.

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    Re: Eric Cantor And Disaster Relief

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Only a skewed view of the world sees things only one way all the time. I believe Chris Christie has also praised President Obama in the past as well... not everyone is a political hack and fits into little pigeon hole characterizations found in the funny papers.
    I completely understand your point, not everyone on the left agrees with everything. But Chris Christie is very well respected by conservatives and I believe he will run for President in the future, possibly 2016. I don't believe Cantor's view is a winnable one for somebody runing for POTUS. Even Gov. Bob McDonnell of Virginia doesn't agree with Cantor.

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    Re: Eric Cantor And Disaster Relief

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    this is a perfect example of politifact in action - as Cantor is not saying that it is not the role of the Federal Government not to help with natural disasters (as some conservatives do), there is no flip.
    The "flip" is over the urgency of payment. When it was his district, "immediate action" was necessary. There were to be no conditions; no concessions for taking time to find the funds. Now, however, when its politically expedient, its ok to have prerequisite conditions such as finding the money in the budget (which will take a ton of time) before money is disbursed.
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    Re: Eric Cantor And Disaster Relief

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Phys, that's great for you Christians. We heathens have a different way of looking at the world.
    Who said I was or wasn't a Christian? I'm merely pointing out the hypocrisy of conservative Christians to refuse to take care of their neighbors.

    Quote Originally Posted by Red Crow View Post
    We wouldn't have this discussion if Obama had spent 4.1 trillion on his watch.
    I'm going to repeat something I said in an earlier discussion.

    When metro Miami got hit by a Category-5 hurricane in 1992, federal relief efforts were a NON-ISSUE.
    When the Upper Midwest got hit by a massive flood in 1993, federal relief efforts were a NON-ISSUE.
    When LA got hit by a large earthquake in 1994, federal relief efforts were a NON-ISSUE.
    When Oklahoma City suffered a terrorist attack in 1995, federal relief efforts were a NON-ISSUE.
    When metro Oklahoma City got hit again, this time by a tornado in 1999, federal relief efforts were a NON-ISSUE.
    When New York City suffered an even bigger terrorist attack in 2001, federal relief efforts were a NON-ISSUE.
    When Florida got slammed by a hurricane in 2004, federal relief efforts were a NON-ISSUE.
    When New Orleans practically went underwater in 2005, federal relief efforts were certainly questioned, but the actual funding itself was a NON-ISSUE.

    And now, all of a sudden, for this latest round of disasters that seem to all be hitting at once, federal relief efforts are a political issue.

    This does not have a god damn thing to do with Obama. This has everything to do with the fact that the Republican Party is infested with uncivilized people. They have absolutely no regard for human life after conception. To them, one dollar is more important than one life. They do not care. As far as they are concerned, hurricane victims can drown, and tornado victims can literally be blown away. All I can say is, if that's really the route they want, part of me wishes they'd lead by example and be the first to walk the plank.
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    Re: Eric Cantor And Disaster Relief

    Quote Originally Posted by Red Crow View Post
    We wouldn't have this discussion if Obama had spent 4.1 trillion on his watch.
    You are sadly misinformed, Obama hasn't spent $4.1 trillion on his watch.

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    Re: Eric Cantor And Disaster Relief

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    I completely understand your point, not everyone on the left agrees with everything. But Chris Christie is very well respected by conservatives and I believe he will run for President in the future, possibly 2016. I don't believe Cantor's view is a winnable one for somebody runing for POTUS. Even Gov. Bob McDonnell of Virginia doesn't agree with Cantor.
    It certainly depends on the state of the country. What may be un-winable today may change in the future.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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