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    Re: Should radar detectors be legal (as in the USA) or illegal (as in Canada)?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    They should be perfectly legal.If LEOs can use radar guns, phone taps and what ever else then the rest of the population should be allowed to use what ever counter and detection measures they wish.
    aye... that's how i see it too.

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    Re: Should radar detectors be legal (as in the USA) or illegal (as in Canada)?

    Where I live (150,000) the police have some of those mobile radar units. You know, those clunky-boxy things with the big amber/red digital readout. Trouble is, these units also have a camera which snaps a pic of your plate/tag if the readout turns red. Your ticket arrives in the mail (with pic). Have a nice day.

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    Re: Should radar detectors be legal (as in the USA) or illegal (as in Canada)?

    Radar detectors are not Legal Virginia, Washington DC. and on military bases.

    Many police are using Lazar and laser jammers are legal in most U.S. states, but laws vary, so before you buy one check with local Police and State Highway Patrol, or D.P.S. before you turn on a jammer.
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    Re: Should radar detectors be legal (as in the USA) or illegal (as in Canada)?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    Where I live (150,000) the police have some of those mobile radar units. You know, those clunky-boxy things with the big amber/red digital readout. Trouble is, these units also have a camera which snaps a pic of your plate/tag if the readout turns red. Your ticket arrives in the mail (with pic). Have a nice day.
    It boggles my mind how this doesn't violate a person's right to confront their accuser. How do you impeach the credibility of something so far removed from a person? I've gotten hit by traffic cameras before. By the time I got the ticket in the mail, a month had passed. I had absolutely no idea if I had been speeding or not. I had no practical and honest means to contest the charge against me. I had no idea if the camera was accurate, nor even if the picture was real. When you're pulled over by a cop, at least there's a person there accusing you of a crime. And when you get to court, the cop is there to testify. The only way to cross-examine an unmanned camera is for the people who built and maintain it would have to be there when you went to court. Has that ever happened?
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    Re: Should radar detectors be legal (as in the USA) or illegal (as in Canada)?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    It boggles my mind how this doesn't violate a person's right to confront their accuser. How do you impeach the credibility of something so far removed from a person? I've gotten hit by traffic cameras before. By the time I got the ticket in the mail, a month had passed. I had absolutely no idea if I had been speeding or not. I had no practical and honest means to contest the charge against me. I had no idea if the camera was accurate, nor even if the picture was real. When you're pulled over by a cop, at least there's a person there accusing you of a crime. And when you get to court, the cop is there to testify. The only way to cross-examine an unmanned camera is for the people who built and maintain it would have to be there when you went to court. Has that ever happened?
    Quite simply your right to confront your accuser is violated with photo radar. Photo radar also violates the law that states that only a police officer may write a traffic citation. Instead, an automaton does it. Photo radar also assumes the owner of the car was driving. Someone else could borrow or steal your car and get you tickets. It also violates your privacy rights. It documents where and when and with whom you're traveling in a car. Imagine a woman living with a violent husband gets a photo radar ticket in the mail showing she was driving in a car with another man.

    In short, with photo radar, law enforcement is breaking the law in order to enforce the law.

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    Re: Should radar detectors be legal (as in the USA) or illegal (as in Canada)?

    Illegal. Any item or service whose sole intent is to help individuals break the law should be removed from society.

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    Re: Should radar detectors be legal (as in the USA) or illegal (as in Canada)?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    It boggles my mind how this doesn't violate a person's right to confront their accuser. How do you impeach the credibility of something so far removed from a person? I've gotten hit by traffic cameras before. By the time I got the ticket in the mail, a month had passed. I had absolutely no idea if I had been speeding or not. I had no practical and honest means to contest the charge against me. I had no idea if the camera was accurate, nor even if the picture was real. When you're pulled over by a cop, at least there's a person there accusing you of a crime. And when you get to court, the cop is there to testify. The only way to cross-examine an unmanned camera is for the people who built and maintain it would have to be there when you went to court. Has that ever happened?
    In the greater Chicago metro area (four counties), traffic light enforcement camera's are literally everywhere. In addition, woe unto you if the overhead Tollway reader doesn't pick up your windshield mounted electronic I-Pass unit. In both cases, you get a ticket print-out in the mail which also has a pic of your plate/tag. About the only way you can prevail in traffic court is if the print-out information/pic belongs to a different vehicle.

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    Re: Should radar detectors be legal (as in the USA) or illegal (as in Canada)?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    With Lidar the chances of detecting it before it has caught you is small, but in the case of radar, provided it is not instant on, and being used on a low traffic area, the ability of the detector to catch the X or K band radar is very good before it gets you
    With both the chances of detecting it before it detects you is.... VERY VERY minimal. With LIDAR, its near impossible to detect it at all.
    With LIDAR.. the beam shot from the device if VERY small. That VERY small beam needs to hit DIRECTLY on the detector in order to pick it up and alert you. In Police LIDAR training, one is taught to aim the beam at the headlights/front grill of a vehicle, as the metalic surfaces there are more reflective and provide a stronger signal. Thus, unless you are putting a Laser detector on your headlight or front of the vehicle, the chance you will be alerted to the LIDAR tracking with the ability to slow down is near impossible.

    With RADAR, your chances of not getting caught speeding are also very minimal, unless you are traveling in heavy traffic, in which case the officers won't be able to single you out very well anyways (unless of course, you are speeding in and out of lanes traveling at a rate of speed much faster than the other vehicles, then you are driving aggressive anyways and can be stopped WITHOUT a speed measurement).

    You see, the average person's reaction speed is greater than the speed of light. Which is the speed that a radar beam travels and reports its data. So even if you detected a police RADAR signal, changes are great that the only thing you are going to do is let the officer know that you detected him, even though he already has your 65 in a 45 locked and is ready to stop you.
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    Re: Should radar detectors be legal (as in the USA) or illegal (as in Canada)?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    They should be perfectly legal.If LEOs can use radar guns, phone taps and what ever else then the rest of the population should be allowed to use what ever counter and detection measures they wish.
    Wow..

    So then you advocate that if the police can use force to make an arrest if needed, then the people can use force to avoid being arrested?

    Big slippery slope argument you just made.
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    Re: Should radar detectors be legal (as in the USA) or illegal (as in Canada)?

    Speeding is not a right. Hell, driving is not a right. Being forced to drive at a safe speed does not violate anyone's rights. The only negative is that it takes a little longer to get to one's destination.

    What's next, an app that shows where we can safely buy ecstasy and heroin? Come on. Ban all radar and laser detectors whose sole purpose is to make it easier to speed.
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