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Thread: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

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    Re: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Okay, you found one.
    Yea I think you search the Internet long enough you can find examples reaffirming just about any point you're trying to make.




    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Depends on what you mean and where you're going with this. Sure, if you have a clean criminal background and no other "red flags" on your record, buying a gun in a gunstore is easy and in my state takes less than half an hour. But so what?

    If involuntary committment orders and suchlike aren't already part of NICS file system, they should be... I've said so before. But Gifford's shooter had never been officially recognized and filed as a nutcase. He had apparently never been convicted of a felony or committed to a mental ward. The people who KNEW he was nuts had not come forward to the authorities and said "you need to lock this guy up, he's crazy and he could hurt someone."

    Some people slip through the cracks.

    What's the alternative? Ban guns for everyone because of a 0.000001 ratio of bad apples? Shall we ban free speech because a few abuse it? No thanks.

    If you have a solution that will actually keep people like that from getting guns and at the same time won't infringe on the rights of the law-abiding, I'm all ears.
    Good points. I have no such solution, either, except to beef of the public record keeping of the NICS file system. Personally too, I'd live in a state with stricter gun-control laws, but that's just me. I don't own any firearms myself, if you couldn't have guessed already.
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    Re: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by David D. View Post
    Yea I think you search the Internet long enough you can find examples reaffirming just about any point you're trying to make.


    Good points. I have no such solution, either, except to beef of the public record keeping of the NICS file system. Personally too, I'd live in a state with stricter gun-control laws, but that's just me. I don't own any firearms myself, if you couldn't have guessed already.
    Very reasonable. Of course, any reasonable person would rather that nutcases like this guy were detected and restrained before they go off and kill people, be it with a gun, butcher knife or bomb. As things stand, though, there's not a lot we can do about the low-key nutjob who manages to stay "out of the system" and "off the grid" until he strikes... other than to stop him quickly when he does strike.

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    Re: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

    Mostly, people should just relax. I think it's a bit insensitive (and the GOP really should have been smart enough to see this coming), but people are making too big of a deal out of it. No, it's not the gun's fault for what happened, but it reminds people about the incident and brings up bad feelings.
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    Re: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

    Gifford called me today, says she's pissed she didn't win the raffle.
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    Re: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Gifford called me today, says she's pissed she didn't win the raffle.
    Stupid comment.

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    Re: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Layla_Z View Post
    GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate : The Two-Way : NPR

    So a Glock is the only thing they could think of to raffle?!? Really!?! Wouldn't a better choice be something that everyone would want? Oh, and it is insanely insensitive.
    Does the Glock come with a target-picture of the little girl who was shot?

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    Re: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    The left has always felt the 2nd amendment to be insensitive.
    And that is the only reason they give damn about this raffle. If organizers of the rafle somehow got the actual gun and magazines Jared Loughner use in the shooting from the police evidence room and had I raffle for it I could see people having legitimate reason to think it was in bad taste. If they called their raffle the "Own the same type of gun that Jared Loughner used in the Arizona shooting". "own the gun that shot Gabrielle Giffords raffle", "the Jared Loughner raffle", or anything else to tie the raffle to the arizona shooting I can see it being in bad taste, it would be no different than selling "I was at the Arizona shooting and all I got was this stupid T-shirt" t-shirts. These same anti-2nd amendment loons would not give two ****s if Target-,K-Mart, or some other store was selling the same model of kitchen knives that was used a in a stabbing or if someone was holding a raffle for the same model of kitchen knives used in a stabbing.
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    Re: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by David D. View Post
    Stupid comment.
    She already owns one Glock, maybe she would like another.


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    Re: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Does the Glock come with a target-picture of the little girl who was shot?
    And a subscription to anime.

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    Re: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    She already owns one Glock, maybe she would like another.
    Yea, I have no idea why I posted this comment. I think I'll stop posting in this thread.

    American - it wasn't that stupid.

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