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Thread: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

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    Re: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    In that they are rather foolproof and fire in a straight line, they are suitable for the task at hand. Point, squeeze (a long time), bang.


    That Glock sponsors a competitive shooting team means absolutely nothing about the quality or desirability of their pistols.
    That Glock's 'hired gun' is a better shooter than someone using a competing brand means absolutely nothing.
    That the FBI and whomever prefers a foolproof pistol means little other than the Glock's foolproof characteristics (a rubber hammer is rather foolproof as well, but you won't be pounding any nails with it).

    When I shot Open Division in USPSA, I didn't see too may Glocks in that division. In fact, I can't recall seeing any, even at the Nationals in Barry IL.
    probably didn't see any SIG 226 or Colt 1911 45's or other superior guns either. when I shot in Open division I was shooting for EAA with a "gold team" 9X21 and later in Limited with a Fred Craig built Para 40. But Glocks do real well in production division. Mounting a C-MOre on a glock isn't the easiest thing due to the nature of the frame. Interesting seeing a "communist" in USPSA. probably as rare as vegetarian anti-hunters shooting in the IBO



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    Re: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    True, which is why it is pointless to invoke personal claims to fame or experience in lieu of a rational argument. Thus, the anonymous nature of the internet debate precludes any personal posturing, except for that embarked upon for comedic value (or shock value, if you will).
    that isn't always true. sometimes personal claims have obvious relevance

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    When I shot Open Division in USPSA, I didn't see too may Glocks in that division. In fact, I can't recall seeing any, even at the Nationals in Barry IL.



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    Re: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by dixiesolutions View Post
    Well said - You forgot one major human killing technique. Marcial Arts.
    All the ways and artforms of killing by hand.
    One of my favorite is the 'Pulling an eyeball out of it's socket, and tearing it from it's nerves'. All done in the matter of seconds.
    Awesome.
    Never did much marcial arts but my family does martial arts-jr has a black belt in TKD, my wife is about to test for red belt and we all compete in another sport that is called a martial art by the US olympic team coach. But the "Kill Bill" bit where the "bride" wastes Darryl Hannah is pretty much worthless from a practical standpoint though gorily entertaining.

    My favorite martial arts technique comes from noted street martial artist, Marc "animal" MacYoung and it involves survival in bars. Its called PIB-or Pitcher of Bud. If things are starting to get nasty, you buy a PIB and try to calm down belligerents with a round of beer. if that doesn't work you brain the SOB with the pitcher.



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    Re: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    probably didn't see any SIG 226 or Colt 1911 45's or other superior guns either. [...]
    All you saw in Open Division were 1911's, but now your argument is reduced to splitting hairs regarding caliber.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    [...] when I shot in Open division I was shooting for EAA [...]
    I'm sorry...

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    [...] and later in Limited with a Fred Craig built Para 40.
    I'm sorry again (I owned a P12-45 Limited once, stock. It was an excellent paperweight. Pretty, even, in stainless).

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    But Glocks do real well in production division. [...]
    So do Dodge Neons


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    Re: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that isn't always true. sometimes personal claims have obvious relevance
    Only in providing examples of faulty logic, and the occasional chuckle.

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    Re: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    All you saw in Open Division were 1911's, but now your argument is reduced to splitting hairs regarding caliber.


    I'm sorry...


    I'm sorry again (I owned a P12-45 Limited once, stock. It was an excellent paperweight. Pretty, even, in stainless).

    So do Dodge Neons

    mostly modified 1911 platforms such as the Dawson built stuff

    I was more into open back before the red dot stuff-back in the days where my Wilsom L-E accucomp was competitive in Class A (there was no Master or GM)

    I shot next to Todd Jarrett at one of the big invitationals. His Para was doing ok that day

    EAA had pretty decent bonuses. the barrels needed replacing every 6000 rounds (ie every month)



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    Re: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by dixiesolutions View Post
    Well said - You forgot one major human killing technique. Marcial Arts.
    All the ways and artforms of killing by hand.
    One of my favorite is the 'Pulling an eyeball out of it's socket, and tearing it from it's nerves'. All done in the matter of seconds.
    Awesome.
    I used to know an Angel whose noted fame was for jamming his thumb into an enemy's eye socket. But even he didn't pull it out.

    I practice martial arts too but am not into killing. The attorney fees can wipe your family out.

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    Re: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Just as fire arms weren't invented to murder people.
    Lawl? Is this some sort of joke?

    Timeline - The History of Guns Rifles and Machine Guns


    1232: The Chinese who invented gunpowder (black powder) first used it in a weapon - gunpowder filled tubes aka rockets.
    1364: First recorded use of a firearm - shooter lit wicks by hand that ingnited gunpowder that was loaded into the gun barrel.
    1400s: Matchlock guns - first mechanically firing of guns. Wicks were now attached to a clamp that sprang into gunpowder that was placed in a "flash pan".
    1509: Wheel lock guns - wicks were replaced the wheel lock that generated a spark for igniting the gunpowder.
    1630: Flintlock guns - the flintlock did two things mechanically, it opened the lid of the flash pan and provided an igniting spark.
    1825: Percussion-cap guns invented by Reverend John Forsyth - firing mechanism no longer uses flash pan, a tube lead straight into the gun barrel, the tupe had an exposive cap on it that exploded when struck
    1830: Back action lock
    1835: Colt revolver - first mass-produced, multi-shot, revolving firearms
    1840: Pin-fire cartridges
    1850: Shotguns
    1859: Full rim-fire cartridge
    1860: Spencer repeating carbine patented
    1861: Breech loaded guns
    1862: Gatling Gun
    1869: Center-fire cartridge
    1871: Cartridge revolver
    1873: Winchester rifle
    1877: Double-action revolver
    1879: Lee box magazine patented
    1892: Automatic handguns invented by Joseph Laumann
    1893: Borchardt pistol - automatic handgun with a separate magazine in the grip
    1903: First automatic rifle a Winchester.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matchlock#History

    The matchlock appeared in Europe in the mid-15th century, although the idea of the serpentine appears some 40 years previously in an Austrian manuscript. The first dated illustration of a matchlock mechanism dates to 1475, and by the 16th century they were universally used.
    The Janissary corps of the Ottoman army adopted matchlock arms from Hungary gradually from the 1440s onwards.[4] Improved versions of the musket were transported to India by Babur in 1526.
    Guns? Invented for the military. What does the military do? Let's just say its primary is not to go looking for turkeys. Try picking up a history book sometime my son, before zee Germans get here.
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    Re: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Lawl? Is this some sort of joke?

    Timeline - The History of Guns Rifles and Machine Guns


    1232: The Chinese who invented gunpowder (black powder) first used it in a weapon - gunpowder filled tubes aka rockets.
    1364: First recorded use of a firearm - shooter lit wicks by hand that ingnited gunpowder that was loaded into the gun barrel.
    1400s: Matchlock guns - first mechanically firing of guns. Wicks were now attached to a clamp that sprang into gunpowder that was placed in a "flash pan".
    1509: Wheel lock guns - wicks were replaced the wheel lock that generated a spark for igniting the gunpowder.
    1630: Flintlock guns - the flintlock did two things mechanically, it opened the lid of the flash pan and provided an igniting spark.
    1825: Percussion-cap guns invented by Reverend John Forsyth - firing mechanism no longer uses flash pan, a tube lead straight into the gun barrel, the tupe had an exposive cap on it that exploded when struck
    1830: Back action lock
    1835: Colt revolver - first mass-produced, multi-shot, revolving firearms
    1840: Pin-fire cartridges
    1850: Shotguns
    1859: Full rim-fire cartridge
    1860: Spencer repeating carbine patented
    1861: Breech loaded guns
    1862: Gatling Gun
    1869: Center-fire cartridge
    1871: Cartridge revolver
    1873: Winchester rifle
    1877: Double-action revolver
    1879: Lee box magazine patented
    1892: Automatic handguns invented by Joseph Laumann
    1893: Borchardt pistol - automatic handgun with a separate magazine in the grip
    1903: First automatic rifle a Winchester.

    Matchlock - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



    Guns? Invented for the military. What does the military do? Let's just say its primary is not to go looking for turkeys. Try picking up a history book sometime my son, before zee Germans get here.
    Military actions are not "murder" generally.



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    Re: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Nothing here negates his statement.
    Please try again.

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