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Thread: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

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    Re: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Actually I believe Freud's claim that a fear of weapons is a sign of someone suffering from sexual underdevelopment is more accurate. Your claim is a popular myth that has no basis in science. Jeffrey Snyder's A NATION OF COWARDS explains what causes most hoplophobia.
    I think you mean big trucks. Guys with "big trucks" suffer sexual underdevelopment. Small man syndrome, if you will.

    "Fear" is a natural human emotion, silly.
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    Re: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by SeattleRain View Post
    I think you mean big trucks. Guys with "big trucks" suffer sexual underdevelopment. Small man syndrome, if you will.

    "Fear" is a natural human emotion, silly.
    That is clueless. find some support for your claims

    people who fear guns generally loathe their own inadequacy and timidity.



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    Re: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The OP is all about anti-gun rights. Otherwise, there wouldn't be any concern over the issue.
    "anti-gun rights"!!!!!

    Amazing - simply amazing. Where do you get this stuff from anyways?
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    Re: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    "anti-gun rights"!!!!!

    Amazing - simply amazing. Where do you get this stuff from anyways?
    Yeah I sort of scratched my head at that one. Anti gun cravings or illness makes far more sense



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    Re: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    many gun regulations are an attack on personal rights. Dem Asswipe charles Schumer bragged that (upon passing the clinton gun ban) that he was going to show the NRA "the rest of the camel" (after the NRA correctly noted that the dem gun laws were merely the nose of the camel under the tent). Indeed, during the debates on the clinton gun laws, the proponents spent most of their time on the floor whining about the NRA and gun groups, not criminals (who already are banned from owning any guns)

    many of those who propose gun laws do so to punish pro gun groups and voters.

    it started in the 60s when dems were being hammered over being weak on crime fueled by massive crime increases and the race riots that broke out after Dr King was murdered. so dems needed a shield to ward off that attack and they found it by pushing for gun control. Their 1968 gun control act was passed to stave off candidate Nixon's attack on the dems. However, the NRA-which had not been particularly political, took offense and noted that the gun laws were nothing more than feel good nonsense.


    The dems were upset that their little facade was being criticized as something that didn't prevent crime nor hurt criminals. Their gun control laws turned the NRA into a formidable lobbying organization and many other gun groups-mainly focused on target shooting and hunting, mobilized into getting out the pro gun vote. Now the dems had enemies that gun control could be used to attack-hunters, shooters and gun groups.

    and while the average pro gun control sheep might think such laws deter criminals, the scum that run the ban the gun groups are no different than many of the anti abortion leaders who talk about saving innocent life but really are interested in punishing their political opponents and tying up the opposition's resources in defending rights they once took for granted
    I realize there are some radical liberals who aim to ban guns... but if Dems in whole REALLY wanted to take away your guns, they would have. I dont know of anyone that has ever proposed a ban on guns ... and if someone did, I would imagine it didn't 'pass' because it lacked enough support from dems as well as repubs. So, I cant figure out where the paranoia comes from.

    And if its wrong for the government to regulate your guns, why then is it okay for them to regulate marriage and the female body?
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    Re: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by SeattleRain View Post
    I realize there are some radical liberals who aim to ban guns... but if Dems in whole REALLY wanted to take away your guns, they would have. I dont know of anyone that has ever proposed a ban on guns ... and if someone did I would imagine it didn't 'pass' because it lacked enough support from dems as well as repubs. So, I cant figure out where the paranoia comes from.

    And if its wrong for the government to regulate your guns, why then is it okay for them to regulate marriage and the female body?
    there have been many bills introduced to ban guns. Diane Feinswine, the main author of the clinton gun ban told 60 minutes that if she had the votes she would have introduced a law to CONFISCATE all semi auto weapons in the USA--of course that would have resulted in a civil war and probably lots of dead government employees. but she wanted the cops to go house to house confiscating every semi auto. Major Owens, a far left dem congressman at least was honest, he wanted to repeal the second amendment.



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    Re: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

    States regulate marriage, and while I am pro choice there are arguments that have merit that claim banning abortion isn't regulating YOUR BODY. I oppose laws against victimless crimes so if you want to eat shrooms till you see Jimi Hendrix as the new messiah, that is your business as long as I don't have to pay for your hospitalization



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    Re: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    That is clueless. find some support for your claims

    people who fear guns generally loathe their own inadequacy and timidity.
    Guns dont make you a man. That whole "bada*s" crap is for little insecure high school boys. There are veterans who support gun rights but want nothing personal to do with guns anymore. There are people who've seen their bestfriend or loved one shot and suffer PTSD. You dont "know" as much about people as you think you do.
    You dont know everyone much-less know why people fear guns.

    Apparently you think Megalomania means "intelligence"
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    Re: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude, replying to Karl View Post
    Non answers are often as telling as answers. you don't want to tell us your position on gun rights? I couldn't care less but I almost always know the answer to any question I ask
    Since you were asking what I think, your latter comment indicates that you claim to be in possession of psychic capabilities, making your argument increasingly ludicrous.

    However, I will entertain one part of your approach -- why is my position relevant? Do you not think than an intellectually capable person can argue either side of a position, regardless of their personal ideology? If I could not do so (argue either side regardless of my personal leaning), then I certainly would not enter into any debate, for failure would be the likely outcome. Your approach indicates that if I share your ideology on gun rights then you would be more likely to consider my argument valid.

    That is emotional, not logical. Furthermore, I could simply lie about my ideology and none would be the wiser... what type of yardstick is that upon which to measure someones's intellectual mettle? A yardstick employed by those who have a propensity to believe what they are told?

    Better the most well-reasoned argument win the debate, rather than the one that agrees with one's own ideology. Wouldn't you agree?

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    Re: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by SeattleRain View Post
    Guns dont make you a man. That whole "bada*s" crap is for little insecure high school boys. There are veterans who support gun rights but want nothing personal to do with guns anymore. There are people who've seen their bestfriend or loved one shot and suffer PTSD. You dont "know" as much about people as you think you do.
    You dont know everyone much-less know why people fear guns.

    Apparently you think Megalomania means "intelligence"
    I have forgotten more about gun issues than you will ever know. I have done it all, been a member of the US shooting team and a world class shooter, an attorney representing law enforcement agencies, gun makers and gun clubs, and a coach of shooting sport athletes. I represented a Title II manufacturer (machine guns) the largest NRA affiliated gun club in the USA, and two major league retail dealers. My representation also involved lobbying. So I have dealt with just about every angle on this issue. and yes, I used a gun to shoot my way out of a mugging.

    so the amateur psychologist nonsense doesn't cut it with me. and I know what motivates the anti gun leadership



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