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Thread: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

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    Re: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Extremely bad taste, a hunting rifle or a shotgun is one thing, but this murder machine come with 3 magazines.
    The hyperbole is strong with this one.
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    Re: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Layla_Z View Post
    GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate : The Two-Way : NPR

    So a Glock is the only thing they could think of to raffle?!? Really!?! Wouldn't a better choice be something that everyone would want? Oh, and it is insanely insensitive.
    Arizona is very pro gun ownership. Has been a open carry State for years. If I am not mistaken the State passed a law this year on allowing concealed weapons without permit.

    So would it make a difference to you if the fund raiser and raffle was in a different Congressional district in Arizona?

    I am more concerned that the gunman (Jared Loughner) will not be held accountable for his action. Yes, I know he is one sick person. Even the most insane make decision. Though the decisions may be based on some other form of reality.
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    Re: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Extremely bad taste, a hunting rifle or a shotgun is one thing, but this murder machine come with 3 magazines.
    Do you drive? If so, bet your type of car has killed someone. It is a murder machine. Good grief.

    and yes I own firearms, one happens to be a glock
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    Re: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I think this is just an example of blaming the object instead of the person who acted.


    A very, very good friend of mine was murdered years ago, shot in the back of the head with a Ruger Redhawk .44 magnum.

    A few years later, at a range, another buddy offered to let me shoot his Ruger Redhawk .44 magnum. I didn't recoil in disgust and say "No! That's the kind of weapon that killed my best friend! I hate them!"

    Not at all. I said "sure, thanks, I've never shot one of those before..." It's an inanimate object... the proper subject of my disgust is the scumbag who pulled the trigger.
    That is not a good analogy to this.

    A better analogy would be if your buddy at the range offered to let you shoot a target that was photoshopped from a picture of the back of the head of your friend who was killed.

    I've got nothing against the selling of handguns. It's just that this act isn't innocent by any means. It was done by the local Republican Party in the district of a Congresswoman who was shot and the raffle is the same type of gun. All of those elements clearly show that all they're trying to do is some snarky act to make some headlines. It also shows what ****heads they are.
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    Re: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    That is not a good analogy to this.

    A better analogy would be if your buddy at the range offered to let you shoot a target that was photoshopped from a picture of the back of the head of your friend who was killed.

    I've got nothing against the selling of handguns. It's just that this act isn't innocent by any means. It was done by the local Republican Party in the district of a Congresswoman who was shot and the raffle is the same type of gun. All of those elements clearly show that all they're trying to do is some snarky act to make some headlines. It also shows what ****heads they are.
    I disagree with you last statement. It shows how easy some fall into conspiracy theory thinking. I'll ask you, would it be ok to raffle the glock if it was in another Arizona congressional district?
    By the way I have all the respect in the world for Congresswoman Giffords.
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    Re: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    That is not a good analogy to this.

    A better analogy would be if your buddy at the range offered to let you shoot a target that was photoshopped from a picture of the back of the head of your friend who was killed.

    I've got nothing against the selling of handguns. It's just that this act isn't innocent by any means. It was done by the local Republican Party in the district of a Congresswoman who was shot and the raffle is the same type of gun. All of those elements clearly show that all they're trying to do is some snarky act to make some headlines. It also shows what ****heads they are.
    I can't agree that your version of an analogy is valid either, as it makes assumptions that the AzGOP deliberately intended this is a slap in the face to Giffords, and particularly since this is NOT the exact model of gun Giffords was shot with. It was a 9mm Glock, this is a .45 and a different model number. Lots of people own Glocks, they're extremely popular... someone said Giffords herself owns a Glock, I don't know if that's true or not but I wouldn't be surprised.

    A little insensitive? Perhaps. But definitely not the monsterous insult some here are trying to make it out to be.

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    Re: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    Do you drive? If so, bet your type of car has killed someone. It is a murder machine. Good grief.

    and yes I own firearms, one happens to be a glock
    I think you're stretching it with the car example, especially because cars are not designed to kill people.

    Try again.

    And on a sidenote, I don't own any firearms myself, but I do own kitchen knives!
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    Re: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
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    Re: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Extremely bad taste, a hunting rifle or a shotgun is one thing, but this murder machine come with 3 magazines.
    You don't get it, a Glock is about quality, it's a beautiful gun, a precision insrument. A cheap ass Kalicnikov or however you spell it can kill people too but who wants that piece of crap. By the way a shotgun is arguably the most dealy anti personel gun there is. Seven rounds of 00 Buck, nine 30 cal slugs a piece, do the math.

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    Re: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    OK, so are all crazy people scumbags, or just the ones that shoot people? Too bad there wasn't a way to find out if he was a scumbag first, but then what would we have done. Oh, I think I rcall that some people knew it earlier.

    That didn't make a lot of sense... perhaps you could have worded it a bit more clearly.

    Of course "all people" are not scumbags. Nor are just the ones who shoot people scumbags... I have a much broader definition of scumbag than that.

    Yes, some people knew that the Giffords' shooter was probably nuts.... unfortunately, it wasn't brought to the attention of the authorities by them in a timely manner. The shooter was never involuntarily committed or declared mentally incompetent or otherwise "caught by the system" prior to the shooting. It's an imperfect world, **** happens sometimes.

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