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Thread: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

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    Re: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by deltabtry View Post
    Bottom line is that if we wish to live in a free society, well crap like this will happen. If we don't wish to live in a free society, well crap like this will still happen. We don't live in a perfect world with perfect people, so we can't throw the baby out with the bath water.
    I don't think anyone is saying that it shouldn't happen (I'm certainly not), but rather pointing out the somewhat barbaric and in-your-face confrontational aspects of it. Raising awareness, if you will. Debating the issue will not deter the supporters of stunts like this, nor will it sooth the detractors; the goal is to reach, illuminate, and perhaps convince the so-called silent majority (independents and moderates).

    Considering the plethora of in-your-face GOP/Tea Party tactics of late, we'll see how that has worked out for them come November of 2012 (unless they suddenly reverse course or moderate their antics).

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    Re: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by SeattleRain View Post
    I'm not even sure who you are... I just happened to catch your little note to me at the bottom of your post. So, as you wish. :: shrug ::
    See sig (title, username, avatar, lean and location). Brief CV/resume available at my profile/visitors' messeges.

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    Re: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    If so, it's fair to assume your a pedophile and rapist. It has about as much to do with nothing as you flame bait comment.

    What's not fair about it? Democrats and liberal support groups continue to push programs such as Food Stamps, Welfare, TANF, SNAP, Head Start, SSI, Public Housing Assistance, extended unemployment insurance, WIC, Social Housing Services... and that's just at the federal level. The best welfare program? A JOB. Yet, it's my opinion that overwhelmingly the Democratic and Liberal perspective is to aid those less fortunate which could be seen as a very noble social gesture - in fact it's creating a dependency. I realize that Republicans and Conservatives also support social programs and I myself see benefits to some of these for those who are in temporary need. The key "temporary". Expansion and extension of such benefits are a band aid - what's needed are job training programs and placement programs, not way to live off the system.

    What should they do indeed. As I've stated, a certain amount of help should be available - but ultimately people have to plan for disaster themselves instead of relying on social programs. Medicaid is a good thing for a short while. Food stamps can get people over a rough patch, temporarily. Perhaps instead of raising taxes on the rich, liberals may consider an optional "philanthropy" where trusts can be opened where money is distributed to those in who really need it. We need better programs, more targeted at getting people up and working again, retrained and able to benefit society - not more dependent people looking for an extended handout.

    What it needs is moderation and common sense.

    And what cause is that?

    Family. The church. Philanthropy, or better yet, programs will not simply hand out government cheese but retrain and re-equip the poor to be reintroduced to working society. In my opinion there are too many handouts with cries of "oh but the poor children!" It's better to get them fed, get mom or dad or whomever working again to support themselves and their children. Federal Government help and State/ Local help is extensive - even dare I say "vast". Creating new generations of dependent people who will vote for whomever extends their handouts is not a good societal benefit, but it surely is a good political benefit for the political party that increases the government cheese.




    I don't really mind, Jerry has his view and I have mine. Overall I'd rather see less poor, less dependency and more people contributing to society, paying taxes and providing for their children than getting bigger and more vast quantities of handouts by any government agency. We address the handout's in spades, we don't address getting these people back onto their feet to provide for themselves.
    First of all it wasn't a baiting comment. It was a fairness question. You should spend less time here perhaps.. you're rather quick to jump, eh?
    Second, I see NOTHING solid in your post on how we plan on helping people or cleaning up the fallout nor do I see anything that shows HOW we will promote self reliance. You've said all the same things I've heard before. "Church" is nice, but Churches can help NOW. NOTHING says they cant help...clearly "Churches" aren't enough. How many Churches are TX? They dont pay taxes, why are there SO MANY kids without health insurance in TX? Shouldn't their families and "church" help?! How about Mississippi? Of 3 million people over 600 thousand are BELOW poverty level. Hello? "Church"?

    You have "ideas" but no SOLID plan. So, good luck with that.
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    Re: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

    Oh yeah, and my pics (tavern members pics II). I'm superhot and my chick is mad gorgeous.

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    Re: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Oh yeah, and my pics (tavern members pics II). I'm superhot and my chick is mad gorgeous.
    Well thanks for sharin'! Ill check her out.
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    Re: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Oh yeah, and my pics (tavern members pics II). I'm superhot and my chick is mad gorgeous.
    I cant see your pics. I'll take your word for it though... I'm sure you're both smokin' hot and make a lovely couple. )
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    Re: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by SeattleRain View Post
    I cant see your pics. I'll take your word for it though... I'm sure you're both smokin' hot and make a lovely couple. )
    I'll repost them.


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    Re: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    Crass insensitivity is no stranger to the GOP, or here, it seems.
    Faking to care about this to push forward the anti-gun agenda is no stranger to the Democrats, or here, it seems.

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    Re: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I'll repost them.

    She is lovely! Kenya, eh? Thats pretty cool. I've lived in Hawaii & Germany(child) and ... If I weren't afraid of flying I'd consider relocating... beyond Canada, of course.
    I imagine sunset in Kenya is breathtaking.

    Anyway, thanks for posting your pictures
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    Re: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

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    GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate Folks, many of you have wandered far astray of the actual topic, and many are bordering on personal attacks. Let's keep it at least somewhat topical, and please refrain from ad-homs and excessive personal snarkiness.

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