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Thread: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

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    Re: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I really do not have the slightest idea of what you are talking about or what your point is.

    Perhaps that is because I do not prostrate myself before the altar that you do.
    This is your most common post.

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    And you think this sort of extremist gloating and wise guy routine does exactly what for your credibility?
    And this is your second most common post.


    Let me know when you get something other than calling others as you are.




    @Karl: "Personal attack" lol. You don't know crap about guns, do you? You consider someone calling you out on your ignorance to be a personal attack. Again, lol.

    @Seattle: Are you for real?

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    Re: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Yes they are just people, what else would they be? And I agree "liberal" shouldn't matter more than "character", but that's not reality.
    Then it's fair to assume you're a racist misogynist? yes?
    It's not fair to say liberals "undermine" minorities by supporting social programs! I know women of all races who have utilized social programs and made something of themselves. I know of military families on food stamps. There are good, honest, God fearing people who've worked their entire lives and one day they wake up sick with cancer. Without Medicaid, what are they supposed to do? I realize there are victims of the system, but if you look past the abusers to the good that comes from social programs you - or Jerry I should say - wouldn't make such careless statements.

    The subject requires dimensional thinking. You cant just scream "Its unconstitutional" and think thats enough. You cant just state "gun laws increase crime" and think it's going to convince "The People" to get on board. People see how bad it is WITH regulations .. they can only imagine what it would be like without. And stating there's 'no proof' crime would increase - thus no increase in cost to The People - isn't good enough either. There is "no proof" gay marriage will "turn" kids gay, but it doesn't seem to matter when it comes to "regulating" marriage, does it?

    So blurting out statements like that doesnt help your cause.

    I myself would like to know - if we dissemble the Fed Gov - who will take care of the poor, feed hungry kids & help people pay for their medical care? If we make it harder for women to obtain Birth Control or ban abortion altogether who will pay the cost to birth all the kids whose parents have no health insurance?
    Who will clean up the mess IF there IS an increase in crime with Gun deregulation, or if we legalize Meth, Heroin and Cocaine?

    You cant pack your chute after you jump from the plane. Simple.

    This is more for Jerry than it is you, really, since he's the one who made the statement ... so, sorry 'bout that.
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    Re: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post

    @Seattle: Are you for real?
    Last I checked, yes. Heartbeat n' all.
    Silly poor people
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    Re: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

    Ima let the piranha handle this one. Too sensitive for me.

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    Re: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Ima let the piranha handle this one. Too sensitive for me.
    I'm not even sure who you are... I just happened to catch your little note to me at the bottom of your post. So, as you wish. :: shrug ::
    Silly poor people
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    Re: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    This is your most common post.


    And this is your second most common post.


    Let me know when you get something other than calling others as you are.




    @Karl: "Personal attack" lol. You don't know crap about guns, do you? You consider someone calling you out on your ignorance to be a personal attack. Again, lol.

    @Seattle: Are you for real?
    This is some sort of variation on the kindergarten retort "I'm rubber and you're glue - bounces off me and sticks on you". Very clever...... at that kindergarten level.

    You really do not like it when you attempt to lay traps for others and they are never sprung.
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    Re: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

    Crass insensitivity is no stranger to the GOP, or here, it seems.
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    Re: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by SeattleRain View Post
    Then it's fair to assume you're a racist misogynist? yes?
    If so, it's fair to assume your a pedophile and rapist. It has about as much to do with nothing as you flame bait comment.

    Quote Originally Posted by SeattleRain View Post
    It's not fair to say liberals "undermine" minorities by supporting social programs!
    What's not fair about it? Democrats and liberal support groups continue to push programs such as Food Stamps, Welfare, TANF, SNAP, Head Start, SSI, Public Housing Assistance, extended unemployment insurance, WIC, Social Housing Services... and that's just at the federal level. The best welfare program? A JOB. Yet, it's my opinion that overwhelmingly the Democratic and Liberal perspective is to aid those less fortunate which could be seen as a very noble social gesture - in fact it's creating a dependency. I realize that Republicans and Conservatives also support social programs and I myself see benefits to some of these for those who are in temporary need. The key "temporary". Expansion and extension of such benefits are a band aid - what's needed are job training programs and placement programs, not way to live off the system.

    Quote Originally Posted by SeattleRain View Post
    I know women of all races who have utilized social programs and made something of themselves. I know of military families on food stamps. There are good, honest, God fearing people who've worked their entire lives and one day they wake up sick with cancer. Without Medicaid, what are they supposed to do? I realize there are victims of the system, but if you look past the abusers to the good that comes from social programs you - or Jerry I should say - wouldn't make such careless statements.
    What should they do indeed. As I've stated, a certain amount of help should be available - but ultimately people have to plan for disaster themselves instead of relying on social programs. Medicaid is a good thing for a short while. Food stamps can get people over a rough patch, temporarily. Perhaps instead of raising taxes on the rich, liberals may consider an optional "philanthropy" where trusts can be opened where money is distributed to those in who really need it. We need better programs, more targeted at getting people up and working again, retrained and able to benefit society - not more dependent people looking for an extended handout.

    Quote Originally Posted by SeattleRain View Post
    The subject requires dimensional thinking. You cant just scream "Its unconstitutional" and think thats enough. You cant just state "gun laws increase crime" and think it's going to convince "The People" to get on board. People see how bad it is WITH regulations .. they can only imagine what it would be like without. And stating there's 'no proof' crime would increase - thus no increase in cost to The People - isn't good enough either. There is "no proof" gay marriage will "turn" kids gay, but it doesn't seem to matter when it comes to "regulating" marriage, does it?
    What it needs is moderation and common sense.

    Quote Originally Posted by SeattleRain View Post
    So blurting out statements like that doesnt help your cause.
    And what cause is that?

    Quote Originally Posted by SeattleRain View Post
    I myself would like to know - if we dissemble the Fed Gov - who will take care of the poor, feed hungry kids & help people pay for their medical care? If we make it harder for women to obtain Birth Control or ban abortion altogether who will pay the cost to birth all the kids whose parents have no health insurance?
    Family. The church. Philanthropy, or better yet, programs will not simply hand out government cheese but retrain and re-equip the poor to be reintroduced to working society. In my opinion there are too many handouts with cries of "oh but the poor children!" It's better to get them fed, get mom or dad or whomever working again to support themselves and their children. Federal Government help and State/ Local help is extensive - even dare I say "vast". Creating new generations of dependent people who will vote for whomever extends their handouts is not a good societal benefit, but it surely is a good political benefit for the political party that increases the government cheese.


    Quote Originally Posted by SeattleRain View Post
    This is more for Jerry than it is you, really, since he's the one who made the statement ... so, sorry 'bout that.
    I don't really mind, Jerry has his view and I have mine. Overall I'd rather see less poor, less dependency and more people contributing to society, paying taxes and providing for their children than getting bigger and more vast quantities of handouts by any government agency. We address the handout's in spades, we don't address getting these people back onto their feet to provide for themselves.
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    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude, replying to Karl View Post
    [1] First you are wrong. [2] most firearms I own are designed for shooting at targets. [3] Secondly, there is nothing wrong with shooting people as long as the proper scumbags get shot.

    [4] Communists hate armed citizens since armed citizens are a prophylactic against the scourge of communism
    1. That would be highly unusual.
    2. Let's say that most cars I own are designed for off-road racing. Does that mean that the design intent of the automobile is for off-road racing? Is a new-in-box Glock 23 designed for target shooting? Please.... (although I will say that if the local GOP had any class they would have at least raffled off a Kimber or a Les Baer).
    3. Your opinion is irrelevant to the topic and the debate.
    4. Your opinion is irrelevant to the topic and the debate; although I will note your totalitarian answer in #3 is indicative of what you now rail against. Pot, kettle?

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    Re: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry, replying to Karl View Post
    If a firearm is used to murder, then is was not used to kill, it was used to murder. [...]
    I'm not going to comment on that; just quoting it for the comedic value

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