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Thread: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

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    Re: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by SeattleRain View Post
    Is it necessary that you be so aggressive & insulting Jerry? Dont get me wrong, I can be aggressive too, but I dont need to be. Upon our first meeting you accuse me of being mentally inept!

    :: shrug :: At least I have a soul.

    I will agree some liberals are using this to their advantage, and for me, its just as insensitive. If Gabby has come out and said she's not offended, then I'll concede. Until then, the fact she owns the same gun means nothing either way, to me.
    Liberals undermine minority families through social programs, increase crime through gun-control, and more.

    Yes, it is necessary.

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    Re: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Liberals undermine minority families through social programs, increase crime through gun-control, and more.

    Yes, it is necessary.
    Spoken like the Great White Expert Who Knows More Than African American About What Is Good For Them. But yet, African American vote in mass for the very people that you claim are destroying and undermining them. Quite a puzzle there unless of course you have all the answers as you seem to pretend to do.
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    Re: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Liberals undermine minority families through social programs, increase crime through gun-control, and more.

    Yes, it is necessary.
    Are you man enough to take it when someone makes a blanket assumption about conservatives? You are 'resolved' I take it and rather than debate you argue? Liberals are JUST people. People JUST like you only with different ideas.

    "Liberal" shouldn't matter more than "Character".
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    Re: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by SeattleRain View Post
    Are you man enough to take it when someone makes a blanket assumption about conservatives? You are 'resolved' I take it and rather than debate you argue? Liberals are JUST people. People JUST like you only with different ideas.

    "Liberal" shouldn't matter more than "Character".
    Yes they are just people, what else would they be? And I agree "liberal" shouldn't matter more than "character", but that's not reality.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Layla_Z View Post
    GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate : The Two-Way : NPR

    So a Glock is the only thing they could think of to raffle?!? Really!?! Wouldn't a better choice be something that everyone would want? Oh, and it is insanely insensitive.
    What is the point of the raffle? The article didn't say, and I think it is intensive. If it was not a political party, it might not be as controversial.

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    Re: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I think this is just an example of blaming the object instead of the person who acted.


    A very, very good friend of mine was murdered years ago, shot in the back of the head with a Ruger Redhawk .44 magnum.

    A few years later, at a range, another buddy offered to let me shoot his Ruger Redhawk .44 magnum. I didn't recoil in disgust and say "No! That's the kind of weapon that killed my best friend! I hate them!"

    Not at all. I said "sure, thanks, I've never shot one of those before..." It's an inanimate object... the proper subject of my disgust is the scumbag who pulled the trigger.
    The difference is, it's not you or an individual person.. it's a political party raffling the gun. The worst thing would be if Sarah Palin was involved in the raffle. This isn't a conversation so much about guns, as it is an issue about our political discourse and insensitivity. It might not even bother Giffords, but it just seems tasteless and a really stupid idea for the GOP to have THIS raffle and in HER district. Nobody had enough common sense or courtesy to see the forthcoming controversy? That's hard to believe. I think they knew there would be controversy and decided to go ahead with this as a political issue, not an issue of respect or courtesy

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    Re: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

    This is on my nightstand....along with various other weapons within my grasp anywhere in my home...overkill ? I can live with that

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    Re: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    SW MP is a better weapon than a glock. I took one of the first available to a training facility frequented by David Bowie-an expert gunsmith in modifying plastic frame guns. The next year all the staff were using SW's rather than glocks ...
    You replied to what I posted "Nope, an Austrian made Glock. The AZ repubs are into high quality stuff ya know." but you missed the real point of the post.
    It was intended as a note that the repubs had purchased a foreign hand gun rather than a more plebian US made one. At least I hope it was for perceived quality and not because it was the type used in the attack on those with Giffords and Giffords herself. Hum, which reason do you think it was?

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    Re: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

    I have not read the whole thread but it seems odd choice and what are the legal implications? I mean does everybody that buys a tix have to have a gun permit, etc? It seems like a poor choice.
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    Re: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    I have not read the whole thread but it seems odd choice and what are the legal implications? I mean does everybody that buys a tix have to have a gun permit, etc? It seems like a poor choice.

    In most states you do not need a permit simply to own a gun. Whoever wins it will have to fill out the paperwork and have a NICS background check just as if he'd bought it in a gunstore. I know how these things work because I've been involved in gun raffles before.

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