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Thread: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

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    Re: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

    My only objection to this is I can't get in on it. I would be willing to spend some cash to win a .40 cal. now if it was weak 9mm I might object, but a .40 cal. has knock down power that counts.

    Everyone should should have serious home protection. I don't care how good your local police are they are, and you call them at the fisrt sign of trouble they will get there just in time to file a report on what happened to you and your's while you were waiting for their help.

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    Re: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Firearms are produced to kill living things. I don't know why what I'll presume is the right is running away from that undeniable fact. 99.9% of all things in existence are not produced for criminal activity, rendering your argument absurd (note: that figure is an approximation ). All the wing-flapping about murder is irrelevant; if a firearm is used to murder, then it is fulfilling its design goal -- killing something.
    If a firearm is used to murder, then is was not used to kill, it was used to murder.

    If a woman has a lawful abortion, then she did not murder the unborn, she killed it.

    Firearms, like medical tools unique to the abortive procedure, are designed and created for lawful use. Murder is unlawful, and is therefore an abuse.

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Unless, your argument that killing things is inconsistent with the purpose and design of a firearm. If that is the case, then can you explain the need to propel a 165 grain bullet at a velocity of 900 feet per second in order to damage a tin can or a piece of cardboard? Would not a BB gun serve the same purposes, at least at short distances?
    No you got it. Firearms are designed to kill.

    Kill, not murder. Kill. It's "shoot to kill", not "shoot to murder".

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    The point of the OP, if I may be so bold and if I may return to the original premise of the thread, is that a hi-capacity pistol is a rather odd thing for a political party to be raffling off in order to raise funds, especially in the district where a Congresswoman was recently shot with the same brand and style of firearm.
    1: it's not an odd thing to raffle if it's something people would buy tickets for a chance to get.
    2: The shooting was an illegal act, and as such is divorced in every way whatsoever from the lawful possession and use of a firearm, regardless.

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    As was noted earlier, this is likely an intentional provocation by the local GOP. Otherwise they are rather dense (and I doubt that is the case).
    Advice I would give my best friend: When it comes to politics, never take anything at face value.

    Look at what great media coverage the item being raffled has generated. How much more money by choosing this item and this location over other options. I suspect the core motive here was to generate money for through the raffle, and the exact item chosen was not but a marketing tool for free advertising the Left couldn't help themselves but provide.

    So, thank you, Liberals, for once again being a tool of the GOP. You got played, bad.
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    Re: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by SeattleRain View Post
    Raffle: I dont think there's anything wrong with a gun raffle. Just not right now. Whether it was meant to be harmful is irrelevant. It's insensitive.
    This is about having respect and empathy for other human beings-it's about everyone who died that day and their families as much as it is about Gabby and hers. This is not an attack on you, guns or gun rights. Stop using this as one more thing to fight about and be human for a moment


    The Congresswoman has even returned to work, casting a vote, so the delicate time to mind sensitivity has passed.

    Yes it's time for you people to stop being hyper-sensitive. It's clinically unhealthy, and one of many ways Liberalism is a mental disorder.

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    Re: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Red Crow View Post
    It just happens that they are raffling the same "TYPE" gun that was used in the Gifford's shooting. We must remember that the gun they are raffling is not the SAME gun used in the shooting, let's remember that the individual did it and not the gun, guns don't fire by themselves. It just happens that this particular gun is very popular.
    I bet some of the folks operating the raffle were the same race as the shooter, too. HOW INSENSITIVE!!!

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    Re: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I bet some of the folks operating the raffle were the same race as the shooter, too. HOW INSENSITIVE!!!
    And you think this sort of extremist gloating and wise guy routine does exactly what for your credibility?
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    Re: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    And you think this sort of extremist gloating and wise guy routine does exactly what for your credibility?
    I'm sorry, I thought I already made it clear that your opinion of me means exactly dick. It's so arrogant of you to just assume I need to build credibility in your Liberal-slanted view of the world.

    What needs to happen is Liberals need to commit mass-suicide, not I build credibility in their view.

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    Re: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

    Bottom line is that if we wish to live in a free society, well crap like this will happen. If we don't wish to live in a free society, well crap like this will still happen. We don't live in a perfect world with perfect people, so we can't throw the baby out with the bath water.

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    Re: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    The Congresswoman has even returned to work, casting a vote, so the delicate time to mind sensitivity has passed.

    Yes it's time for you people to stop being hyper-sensitive. It's clinically unhealthy, and one of many ways Liberalism is a mental disorder.
    Is it necessary that you be so aggressive & insulting Jerry? Dont get me wrong, I can be aggressive too, but I dont need to be. Upon our first meeting you accuse me of being mentally inept!

    :: shrug :: At least I have a soul.

    I will agree some liberals are using this to their advantage, and for me, its just as insensitive. If Gabby has come out and said she's not offended, then I'll concede. Until then, the fact she owns the same gun means nothing either way, to me.
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    Re: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I'm sorry, I thought I already made it clear that your opinion of me means exactly dick. It's so arrogant of you to just assume I need to build credibility in your Liberal-slanted view of the world.

    What needs to happen is Liberals need to commit mass-suicide, not I build credibility in their view.
    I thought you fight for the underdog? Dont you take an oath? My freedom, as a liberal, isn't included? Why?
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    Re: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I'm sorry, I thought I already made it clear that your opinion of me means exactly dick. It's so arrogant of you to just assume I need to build credibility in your Liberal-slanted view of the world.

    What needs to happen is Liberals need to commit mass-suicide, not I build credibility in their view.
    Your credibility is indeed on the line every time you make a post and especially when you say extremist hateful things like you are now engaging in. It does not advance discussion and does not serve any positive purpose in debate.
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