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Thread: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

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    Re: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The OP described a serious situation and deserves appropriate comments and participation. I so loathe these discussions here which have anything to do with guns because far too often someone wants to turn it into PLAYGUN Magazine and describe in detail their favorite centerfold. And such things have nothing at all to do with the thread or the OP.



    A raffle is hardly a "serious situation". Who died and made you thread-content hall monitor? If you think a post is off-topic, report the damned thing and let the mods do their job.

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    Re: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I suppose you would also argue that a car is principally designed to burn fuel, as opposed to consuming fuel in due course of performing it's function: transportation.

    I do appreciate your concession noted in bold, that guns are killing machines, not murder machines; though you should still refrain from voting so as to not pose an ongoing threat to society.
    That is ridiculous. Guns are for firing bullets just as cars are for driving as a transportation vehicle.
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    Re: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by David D. View Post
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    Gifford called me today, says she's pissed she didn't win the raffle.
    Stupid comment.
    American, I believe you misunderstand David D's post.

    He wasn't saying you had made a stupid comment, he was saying all he has left to offer you is a stupid comment, and thus that's exactly what he posted.
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    Re: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post


    A raffle is hardly a "serious situation". Who died and made you thread-content hall monitor? If you think a post is off-topic, report the damned thing and let the mods do their job.
    Who died and made you the judge of how something should be handled? If you don't like my approach, report it to the mods and let them do their job.

    WOW!!!! that felt good!!!! Hey Dianna - nice approach and thanks for the modeling. I never would have thought to get all worked up and hot under the collar about something so relatively average.
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    Re: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    Why do you have all the respect in the world for Congresswoman Giffords? What had she done? thx
    More a middle of the road type for a Democrat.
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    Re: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Crosscheck View Post
    How did you feel about the mosque they wanted next to the 9-11 center?

    It was an entirely different group of Muslims who wanted it built. It was probably their right to build it right there but just not the way to go, at least to me.
    Would you feel differently if you knew that a mosque was lost in the World Trade Center? Do you believe that it would be inappropriate for Norwegians to build a church on the island where Brevik slaughtered all those people, because Brevik claims to be Christian?

    This is America. Religious freedom is paramount, it's what the country was founded upon. All religions, not just one. Muslims had every right to build a mosque anywhere they wished. After all, dozens of Muslims died on 9/11 when their other mosque was destroyed.

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    Re: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    That didn't make a lot of sense... perhaps you could have worded it a bit more clearly.

    Of course "all people" are not scumbags. Nor are just the ones who shoot people scumbags... I have a much broader definition of scumbag than that.

    Yes, some people knew that the Giffords' shooter was probably nuts.... unfortunately, it wasn't brought to the attention of the authorities by them in a timely manner. The shooter was never involuntarily committed or declared mentally incompetent or otherwise "caught by the system" prior to the shooting. It's an imperfect world, **** happens sometimes.
    Thx for your reply. It was just a question about crazy people, some think they are all scumbags, but apparently you donít.

    It is clear from your reply that you value the right to bear arms highly and I see that as a rational position. Iíve always read it differently, that one must be a member of some government based militia, not an army just a local government militia would be enough, in order to bear arms. This just to reduce the ď****Ē that happens as you stated.

    Iíve had a gun, loaded pistol, aimed at me by someone that had committed a crime against our property that I had caught in the act. He wouldnít have qualified as a militia member as he was crazy, but he did qualify for a short time in jail. This may have affected my POV.

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    Re: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    That is ridiculous. Guns are for firing bullets and cars are for driving as a transportation vehicle.
    Unless your confessing to your equivocation: a gun can't be a murder machine if it's only about firing bullets. Guns would be bullet machines, and it is the bullet which you would accuse of being the murder machine.

    Either way, it's not the gun.

    I have the convenience of even giving you the point, and the bullets are still killing machines, not murder machines, because bullets are designed and made for lawful use.

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    Re: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Who died and made you the judge of how something should be handled? If you don't like my approach, report it to the mods and let them do their job.

    WOW!!!! that felt good!!!! Hey Dianna - nice approach and thanks for the modeling. I never would have thought to get all worked up and hot under the collar about something so relatively average.
    u-mad bro?

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    Re: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    u-mad bro?
    With all my disrespect for the seriousness of the situation I can safely say I'm at fault there.

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