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Thread: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

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    Re: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    It's a killing machine.

    Murder is a misuse of the item.
    Semantics...

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    Re: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    I submit a honest answer to your question:

    1. Cars are designed, manufactured, and sold with the intent of transporting people. Alternatively, they can occasionally be used in other applications (racing, or as a weapon).

    2. Guns are designed, manufactured, and sold with the intent of killing living things. That a particular gun may never be used for that purpose has no bearing on the original intent of the device. Alternatively, they can occasionally be used in other applications (target shooting, or, I presume, to brandish at burglars or muggers {not a recommended activity, I've heard}).
    In fairness, most people who buy guns only kill living things that can't shoot back... and cans.

    The myth that more guns makes a community safer can really be blamed on the Dirty Harry and Death Wish movies of the 1970's. Every gun nut joker gets off on this fantasy that he'll know how to handle himself and his weapon should the 'bad guys' ever show up. As we see from this story, the gun nut assholes only succeeded in killing an unarmed junkie hiding in a shack.

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    Re: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    1. Ah, a personal insult right out of the gate. This place is going to be fun

    2. I wasn't talking about crime, was I? Nope, rereading my post to you above, I was definitely not talking about crime. Nor was the focus of my post Olympic target pistols, deer rifles, or even Glocks (hardly the choice of a handgun connoisseur, I can certainly tell you). The focus of my post was the purpose of a firearm in general; the why and how it came to be. The firearm is the descendent of the arrow, the spear, and the club. It is intended to kill living things. Now while your strawman may think that killing someone or something is murder, and while it sometimes can be, making such a blanket representation is indicative of an illogical argument.

    And claiming that a Mustang is the same thing as a Glock, or actually more deadlier than a Glock, is simply a silly argument; one does not have to be in favor or opposition of one or the other to see that.

    Incidentally, "brandishing" is a term that was chosen for it's colorfulness. "Waving about", "pointing", and "threatening" would be viable synonyms in the context intended. The theory I've heard, and subscribe to, is that if you have the legal basis to point a weapon at someone, you also have the legal basis to pull the trigger. Better to pull the trigger than be taken by surprise by something that you didn't read in a study.... (like the mugger's accomplice hitting you in the back of the head while the mugger is admiring your Glock).
    Hehe.... nice try.

    1. Not an insult. A statement of opinion, as the quoted post certainly sounded lacking in knowlege.

    2. Yes, a firearm is a weapon, of course. However, most firearms are never used as such... that was my point.

    2b. Vehicles are very dangerous. They kill and injure far more people every year than guns. There have been cases of people driving vehicles into crowds and killing or critically injuring several people in less than two seconds... which puts them as "potentially more dangerous" than most firearms in the civilian market. Now consider an 18-wheeler truck with a tanker full of keroscene or chlorine...

    3. As for your insinuation that all I know about crime is what I read in some study, I'm a former Law Enforcement officer who has been in more scrapes than I can easily remember... I also teach defensive handgunning and close combat skills as a side-business.

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    Re: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by David D. View Post
    Stupid comment.
    No more stupid than the feigned outrage from the left. This isn't about Gifford at all, it's about guns.
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    Re: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    ... By the way I have all the respect in the world for Congresswoman Giffords.
    Why do you have all the respect in the world for Congresswoman Giffords? What had she done? thx

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    Re: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Semantics...
    Gross ignorance....

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    Killing is justifiable and thus legal.

    Murder is unjustified and thus illegal.

    Firearms, pistols in particular, along with my issued military service weapons, are produced for lawful use.

    They are not produced for criminal activity. Therefore, using a firearm to murder is an abuse of that weapon, inconsistent with that weapon's purpose and design.

    Kindly turn in your voter registration card now.
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    Re: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Gross ignorance....

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    Killing is justifiable and thus legal.

    Murder is unjustified and thus illegal.

    Firearms, pistols in particular, along with my issued military service weapons, are produced for lawful use.

    They are not produced for criminal activity. Therefore, using a firearm to murder is an abuse of that weapon, inconsistent with that weapon's purpose and design.

    Kindly turn in your voter registration card now.
    To a large extent - it is indeed semantics.

    The main purpose of a gun is to fire bullets that will kill or stop another person. In some cases, to do that may indeed be legal. In some cases it will be a crime. And in some cases its debatable. But to pretend that guns have any other main #1 purpose besides firing bullets into others is simply a denial of reality.
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    Re: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    In fairness, most people who buy guns only kill living things that can't shoot back... and cans.

    The myth that more guns makes a community safer can really be blamed on the Dirty Harry and Death Wish movies of the 1970's. Every gun nut joker gets off on this fantasy that he'll know how to handle himself and his weapon should the 'bad guys' ever show up. As we see from this story, the gun nut assholes only succeeded in killing an unarmed junkie hiding in a shack.
    In this day and age, those of us who shoot living things who can and often do shoot first, have had our weapons issued to us along with our uniforms.

    The fact that more firearms makes the community safer is well documented with well-vetted, solid evidence. It is a fact.

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    Re: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    No more stupid than the feigned outrage from the left. This isn't about Gifford at all, it's about guns.
    They are making that abundantly clear with all this "guns are for killing" talk.

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    Re: GOP's Gun Raffle In Giffords' District Sparks Hot Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    To a large extent - it is indeed semantics.

    The main purpose of a gun is to fire bullets that will kill or stop another person. In some cases, to do that may indeed be legal. In some cases it will be a crime. And in some cases its debatable. But to pretend that guns have any other main #1 purpose besides firing bullets into others is simply a denial of reality.
    I suppose you would also argue that a car is principally designed to burn fuel, as opposed to consuming fuel in due course of performing it's function: transportation.

    I do appreciate your concession noted in bold, that guns are killing machines, not murder machines; though you should still refrain from voting so as to not pose an ongoing threat to society.

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