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    Re: Should Businesses Be Able To Outsource if They Receive Government Help?

    Revising my response, I think I interpreted the post incorrectly (but I won't take away the 'like' from LESGOVT because that'd be mean).

    I say 'maybe' because I think the gov't is well within it's reach to provide ground rules preventing outsourcing for a limited time frame when handing out $'s to companies. After all, the government is in it to protect our (the American people's) best interests while the corporation is always looking out for its own interests and profits.

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    Re: Should Businesses Be Able To Outsource if They Receive Government Help?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    I put "Depends on the Circumstances."

    On one hand government contracts can help spur the domestic economy. On the other hand, some things may only be able to be done by foreign businesses.

    Let me give you a local example. In South Florida, some of the local governments decided to give a certain percentage of their contracts to the smaller, local contractors rather than to larger contractors who could outbid them. They did this to help shore up the smaller local businesses to help the local economy.

    I would be fine with something like that - as in a certain percentage of each contract must provide jobs for American employees.

    Also, I have always supported a human rights tax on imported goods from nations whose governments perform human rights abuses. Perhaps we could make it a law that corporations with businesses in nations who perform human rights abuses are not allowed to have any part of a government contract. That would be a good thing to do too.
    i like the concept, but fear it would result in unintended consequences if implemented

    this would give license to foreign nations to impose their own HR tax on USA goods and services. they need only observe the portion of our population in prison to make such valid assertion
    it would result in an additional barrier to American exports
    with our present deficit of trade, that would not be a good thing
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    Re: Should Businesses Be Able To Outsource if They Receive Government Help?

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    I think you are close to liking my approach, but not sure we are there. Please let me clarify. I believe in freedom. Any U.S. company should be able to build a facility overseas and the government should not have any say about the issue; unless, it is due to a critical national security issue. I further believe that no company should receive any type of financial payment from the government. The government should not be in the business of picking winners and losers or rewarding bad behavior.

    Are we still in agreement?
    Les, while you were typing this I deleted my post after realizing I totally misinterpreted the OP (not sure how I did that because it's pretty straightforward, but anyways...).

    To respond to your post, I am generally not in favor of the government handing out $'s to companies,

    but when they do,

    I'd like to make sure that the investors (the taxpayers) are going to get something out of it. This is where maybe a provision prohibiting a certain level of outsourcing for a defined time-frame would be acceptable. If the company doesn't want to play by those rules, then they don't have to accept the money.
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    Re: Should Businesses Be Able To Outsource if They Receive Government Help?

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    i like the concept, but fear it would result in unintended consequences if implemented

    this would give license to foreign nations to impose their own HR tax on USA goods and services. they need only observe the portion of our population in prison to make such valid assertion
    it would result in an additional barrier to American exports
    with our present deficit of trade, that would not be a good thing
    If a human rights tax were implemented on the United States and pushed for prison reform, I don't see how that would be a bad thing.
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    Re: Should Businesses Be Able To Outsource if They Receive Government Help?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    If a human rights tax were implemented on the United States and pushed for prison reform, I don't see how that would be a bad thing.
    it would be bad to the extent that American products would be less price competitive with the added tax imposed

    but if doing so caused our nation to examine our incarceration rates and (in)justice system such that positive change resulted, then yes, that would absolutely be a wonderful thing
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    Re: Should Businesses Be Able To Outsource if They Receive Government Help?

    If we were in China's or India's or Russia's current financial condition, it probably would not be a bad thing to do, but we no longer have commanding resources, competitive labor, nor leaders with brains.. Under the current circumstances it would be economically ignorant to outsource anything. Yet, there is no jobs agenda. The gov't thinks that saving those worthless banks will cause some trickle down. That's funny. They'll give money to Corporations instead of encouraging micro development at local levels. Almost everything that is good for local economies costs the Gov'ts tax bases. We're trapped in ignorance.
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    Re: Should Businesses Be Able To Outsource if They Receive Government Help?

    Seems like a logical question until you think about what out sourcing is and how it’s done. If say a rescued computer business buys a power supply for an American company that has the power supply built in Mexico had the business outsourced? If the company buys a power supply made in the US but the fan in the power supply is from American manufacturer that assembles the fan just on the other side of the fence in Mexico have they outsourced? BTW, you can see the assembly building in Mexico from the parking lot of the US engineering building for the fan we were using.
    Now, how can you build anything without having something in it outsourced to a foreign company?

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    Re: Should Businesses Be Able To Outsource if They Receive Government Help?

    Corporate welfare like regular welfare shouldn't exist period, if a business wants build their HQ in another country thats their business.
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    Re: Should Businesses Be Able To Outsource if They Receive Government Help?

    I'm for giving a preferential tax rate to businesses that hire a significant percentage of their workforce domestically.

    I'm also for significant tariffs on goods made in non-OSHA / polluting overseas factories. Time to level the playing field, IMHO.

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    Re: Should Businesses Be Able To Outsource if They Receive Government Help?

    I know, given current issues, that "jobs" is a big talking point - rightly so. But, if a government is going to "invest" in a business, then they need to get a return for their investment. I don't know that "jobs" is the only way that the return can be measured. Research & Development, for example, could pay off in a lot more jobs in the long run potentially much more than immediate jobs. I'm sure there are other cases - maybe selling American products in other countries bringing dollars back home could also be worth it.

    I think massive government spending in business enterprise is a bad idea when there are other american companies who could compete in the same areas. (For that matter, I think government trying to do just about anything that private companies can do is a bad idea). But, government spending in certain areas (social value with low financial return) with companies having an equal chance for the opportunity can be useful.
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