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Thread: Should there be a "Swift Justice" law

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    Re: Should there be a "Swift Justice" law

    Ah, forgot about that one.

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    Re: Should there be a "Swift Justice" law

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    Negatory. You would increase the number of these incidents if the perps knew that they would be quickly executed. Turning the weapon on yourself, or suicide by Cop requires pain. Those that can't do that need to sit in an 8'x5' cage for 10-15 years before being executed. It's part of the punishment. One hour a day in the dog walk, 23 hours a day in the cage.
    This is a pathetic attempt at revenge, not justice..
    The mass murderer was/is insane, as difficult as this is - we must learn from them in order to prevent future occurrences.
    Some good can possibly come from this.....

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    Re: Should there be a "Swift Justice" law

    OH COME ON! There is NOTHING to learn from him other than some people do not deserve to live. Do you think you're going to dissect his brain and find the "psycho gene"?

    I swear, you give one voice to the "all prisoners can be rehabilitated" crowd, and it snowballs to bullcrap like this.

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    Re: Should there be a "Swift Justice" law

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    OH COME ON! There is NOTHING to learn from him other than some people do not deserve to live. Do you think you're going to dissect his brain and find the "psycho gene"?
    If we were actually discussing dissecting death row inmates for research purposes, I'd be adopting an entirely different position.

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    Re: Should there be a "Swift Justice" law

    Yeah, I suppose I could allow for that. Might as well be more useful in death than you were in life.

    I mean, we're talking real needle-in-a-haystack chances of finding anything worthwhile, but it'll employ some neurologists and MEs while still killing those who need to die.

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    Re: Should there be a "Swift Justice" law

    If you go to the doctor, do you want swift treatment or effective treatment? The same goes for justice.

    If guilt is so obvious then it should be easy to prove. If it can't be proven then guess what, even murderers go free. This is to protect the innocent.

    No judge should have summary sentencing powers, let alone sole authority to execute! Any place in the world where judges have this power and juries are absent, there are widespread abuses.

    You can't create a safe standard where judges won't be able to abuse this ability. A jury is needed, along with legal defense.

    Capital punishment should be abolished in general because already innocents have paid the price, and it's expensive.

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    Re: Should there be a "Swift Justice" law

    Challenger blew up in 1986. Should we shut down NASA?

    They were innocent too.

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    Re: Should there be a "Swift Justice" law

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    And its painfully obvious given the barbarity of his crimes, and his depraved reasoning that he has simply forfieted his right to live.

    In this case, I believe a summary execution is entirely justified. No need for torture, no fuss, just taken behind the shed and put down.

    But he's only one example.

    I believe there should be a clause in the justice system for events like this, and for example Loughner, for acts such as this, where its painfully obvious that they're guilty and willfully carried out the actions of their own free will, that they should be summarily executed.
    To begin with, I'm against capital punishment, period. Lengthy appeals process or not, so many people have been exonerated by advancements in evidence analysis that would otherwise have died for a crime that they didn't commit that I can never in good conscience support the death penalty. I'll reconsider my position when we can guarantee that only the guilty are punished thus.

    I don't care if somebody is obviously guilty. I don't care if the accused from the rooftops of their guilt, or if 50 witnesses step forward, or if there were 6 different camera angles plus DNA and ballistics and fingerprints all over the goddamn place -- our justice system is far from perfect, which by definition should exclude the use of an irreversible punishment.

    As far as it goes with the pace of the justice system, that's the product an overburdened system. Depending on your perspective, either there aren't enough bodies to keep the mill grinding up people fast enough, or far too many people are being ground up. My opinion leans towards the latter: Too many prosecutors charging too many people because there's no metric to measure actual justice throughput -- just the number of convictions, the overall conviction rate and total years sentenced.

    Whichever angle you take, one or the other is the ultimate cause for the snail's pace of justice in this country. It's not that we don't take heinous crimes seriously enough to get off our ass and prosecute somebody, it's a systemic problem.

    The best remedy is the one that addresses the root cause, rather than the one that treats the symptoms -- don't create a special express lane for mass-murderers, get the courts running more smoothly.
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    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Should there be a "Swift Justice" law

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Challenger blew up in 1986. Should we shut down NASA?

    They were innocent too.
    There's a distinct difference between space exploration -- which involves a variety of risks that astronauts volunteer to brave -- and capital punishment, which involves the risk that an innocent will be punished in a manner most permanent and foul.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Should there be a "Swift Justice" law

    Go to wikipedia and look up the case of Giuseppe Zangara who killed Chicago Mayor Anton Cermak in 1933 and tried to kill President elect Roosevelt. It took five weeks from the day of the crime to his execution.
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