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Do you view Social Security as an entitlement?

Do you view social security is an entitlement that can be altered?

  • Yes, it should be eliminated completely.

    Votes: 10 20.4%

  • Yes, I could handle a small level of program reduction.

    Votes: 5 10.2%

  • No, its my money, and the government has no right to touch it.

    Votes: 27 55.1%

  • I dont know and/or it depends on what is offered as a replacement program.

    Votes: 7 14.3%
  • Total voters
    49
Gipper said:
We have that. It's called MediCare.
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Medicare is not-for-profit insurance program for health care. SS is a not-for-profit insurance program to provide supplementary retirement income.
 
Catawba said:
I view it as a not-for-profit insurance program for seniors
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There is very little relationship to the amount one one individual pays to the amount he is entitled to receive. Social Security is a combination of a bad tax system with a bad way to dispute welfare. - Milton Friedman.

All you have done is buy into the lie the government sold the program on. It is NOT insurance.
 
Btw, where that quote came from...

 
Henrin said:
Btw, where that quote came from...

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LOL! Big surprise that the architect of our current financial crisis is your idol!
 
Catawba said:
LOL! Big surprise that the architect of our current financial crisis is your idol!
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He isn't. He was a supporter of the negative tax. Something I could never support.
 
Henrin said:
He isn't. He was a supporter of the negative tax. Something I could never support.
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Put some braincells behind your posts if you don't mind.
 
If the government, right now, wants to just give me back every dime I put in to my social security, with a minimal interest, I would be happy to just shake hands, walk away and forego any hopes of social security benefits.

I believe I could have done better with that money. Especially as I have aged and learned to dicipline myself to save. Maybe as a younger man, not so much.
 
Catawba said:
Medicare is not-for-profit insurance program for health care. SS is a not-for-profit insurance program to provide supplementary retirement income.
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Thanks for your opinion
:lol:
 
Henrin said:
Put some braincells behind your posts if you don't mind.
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LOL! Funny! You still believe in trickle down theory after 30 years of failure and have the nerve to question other people's intelligence????
 
Catawba said:
You are welcome! I am happy the majority of the country agrees with my opinion!
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How did you know that the appeal to popularity is my -favorite- fallacy?
 
PzKfW IVe said:
How did you know that the appeal to popularity is my -favorite- fallacy?
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I couldn't care less. What matters is that the majority decides the policy direction of our country.
 
Catawba said:
LOL! Funny! You still believe in trickle down theory after 30 years of failure and have the nerve to question other people's intelligence????
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I believe in capitalism. The principles of capitalism is not possible with things like minimum wage on the market.

And I wasn't questioning your intelligence. That assumes there is doubt about it.
 
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Catawba said:
I couldn't care less. What matters is that the majority decides the policy direction of our country.
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when the extreme left cannot proffer a logical argument they fall back on quantity trumping quality

mob rule is what "liberalism" is all about
 
Henrin said:
I believe in capitalism. The principles of capitalism is not possible with things like minimum wage on the market.
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The US has never operated under pure capitalism because it is not practical. What you are describing is a libertarian utopia, which does not exist anywhere on the planet.

And I wasn't questioning your intelligence.
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Yeah, right:

Originally Posted by Henrin:
Put some braincells behind your posts if you don't mind.
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TurtleDude said:
when the extreme left cannot proffer a logical argument they fall back on quantity trumping quality

mob rule is what "liberalism" is all about
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If you dislike Democracy so much, why do you remain?
 
Catawba said:
If you dislike Democracy so much, why do you remain?
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I liked the constitutional republic that we originally had. the one that wasn't good enough for power hungry leftwing robber barons who used the crisis of the 1930s to piss on the constitution and the tenth amendment.

appealing to the lowest common denominator might win elections for the dems and make their greedy masters rich but it only deteriorates the nation
 
TurtleDude said:
when the extreme left cannot proffer a logical argument they fall back on quantity trumping quality

mob rule is what "liberalism" is all about
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Turtle when you cannot proffer a logical argument you just play everything off as lies without even explaining how they are lies..
 
PzKfW IVe said:
It is a -supplemental- retirement benefit. It was never intended to be the SOLE source of retirement income.
If you pay into SS, you are entitled to receive -a- benefit.
Note that there is no guarantee of the amount of that benefit, and so 'we paid into it' is not an argument against a benefit reduction.
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Go ahead touch SS I would love to see the republican party self destruct, the USA would be much better off with the party of NO no longer a part of our politics
 
EarlzP said:
Go ahead touch SS I would love to see the republican party self destruct, the USA would be much better off with the party of NO no longer a part of our politics
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As if both parties aren't "the party of NO" when it suits them.

And as if saying NO was a bad thing.

Damnit, I'm of the opinion that if our politicians had all been saying NO to everything for, like, the past 20 years, we would be better off now. Or perhaps longer.

Too many stupid, plans, departments, bills and laws, IMO.

:rantoff:

:mrgreen:
 
TurtleDude said:
I liked the constitutional republic that we originally had. the one that wasn't good enough for power hungry leftwing robber barons who used the crisis of the 1930s to piss on the constitution and the tenth amendment.

appealing to the lowest common denominator might win elections for the dems and make their greedy masters rich but it only deteriorates the nation
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What has caused the nation to deteriorate, is 3 decades of trickle down economics, the same policy you wish to continue. But I will promise that if I find a way to send you back in time to your preferred period, just before the Great Depression, I will.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Turtle when you cannot proffer a logical argument you just play everything off as lies without even explaining how they are lies..
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the only lies I have seen tonight come from people who claim that because the marginal tax rates have decreased that means the FIT structure is less progressive
 
Catawba said:
What has caused the nation to deteriorate, is 3 decades of trickle down economics, the same policy you wish to continue. But I will promise that if I find a way to send you back in time to your preferred period, just before the Great Depression, I will.
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Yawn, you make so many excuses for people who have become addicted to entitlements and have no ambition. You seem to think you are entitled to wealth you didn't earn.
 
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