View Poll Results: Do you view social security is an entitlement that can be altered?

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  • Yes, it should be eliminated completely.

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  • Yes, I could handle a small level of program reduction.

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  • No, its my money, and the government has no right to touch it.

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    Re: Do you view Social Security as an entitlement?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    I get full disability.
    Personally, I think there are people legitimately on disability and I think that safety net should remain. However, I'm all too aware that many abuse the system as an alternative to working or welfare. Many kicked off welfare have fallen into this as a back-up.

    It should be reformed, not just to protect the financial viability of this safety net, but to assure that those who really need those public resources will get them.

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    Re: Do you view Social Security as an entitlement?

    Quote Originally Posted by atrasicarius View Post
    Here's how the system should work. You can open a tax-free bank account with the government with an interest rate pegged to inflation, and you're not allowed withdraw any money from it until you retire. Actually putting money into it is entirely voluntary. The government is not allowed to spend your money on other things, except things which actually produce income to pay for your interest.
    That's sorta like an IRA, though you can take out your money from an IRA albeit with a hefty penalty. The tax-free part is interesting... government will get it's money some way; either before or after. Roth IRA's have no penalty but you either go pre-tax or post-tax. The problem is, government ALWAYS can get to the money if they need it- either through the Treasury or directly from the banks by hook or crook. It's that pesky constitution in the way sometimes but that hasn't stopped them yet.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Do you view Social Security as an entitlement?

    Quote Originally Posted by SypherAL View Post
    Just curious as to how people view Social Security. I myself do NOT view it as an entitlement, considering its MY money I have been putting in the program for years and years. I dont believe Social Security should even be on the table for negotations leverage in debt debates. Curious to see how everyone else thinks.
    I don't see what any of these things have to do with SS being an entitlement. It's still an entitlement by definition. And it can and should be reformed.
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    Re: Do you view Social Security as an entitlement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    That's sorta like an IRA, though you can take out your money from an IRA albeit with a hefty penalty. The tax-free part is interesting... government will get it's money some way; either before or after. Roth IRA's have no penalty but you either go pre-tax or post-tax. The problem is, government ALWAYS can get to the money if they need it- either through the Treasury or directly from the banks by hook or crook. It's that pesky constitution in the way sometimes but that hasn't stopped them yet.
    Well, I'm of the opinion that the government should take over the role of central bank directly, instead of delegating it to a for-profit corporation. There's no reason government activities can't turn a profit, although that would require some intelligence that seems to be lacking in the current system.
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    Re: Do you view Social Security as an entitlement?

    Quote Originally Posted by atrasicarius View Post
    Well, I'm of the opinion that the government should take over the role of central bank directly, instead of delegating it to a for-profit corporation. There's no reason government activities can't turn a profit, although that would require some intelligence that seems to be lacking in the current system.
    Yes and let the federal government take over private businesses while their at it, and private banks too. Then install a Czar perhaps and devolve into a totalitarian regime for the betterment of all mankind.


    The last think we need is more federal government ****ing things up in this country. The last thing they need to do is take over anything... abolish the federal reserve bank, it shouldn't exist to begin with.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Do you view Social Security as an entitlement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Yes and let the federal government take over private businesses while their at it, and private banks too. Then install a Czar perhaps and devolve into a totalitarian regime for the betterment of all mankind.


    The last think we need is more federal government ****ing things up in this country. The last thing they need to do is take over anything... abolish the federal reserve bank, it shouldn't exist to begin with.
    I've really never been able to follow the path that leads from public works and universal healthcare to gulags and secret police. You guys seem to be absolutely convinced it's there, though.
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    Re: Do you view Social Security as an entitlement?

    Quote Originally Posted by atrasicarius View Post
    I've really never been able to follow the path that leads from public works and universal healthcare to gulags and secret police. You guys seem to be absolutely convinced it's there, though.
    I'm not 100% convinced it's there.

    I just see how completely and totally the government has screwed up seemingly 99% of the things it's ever tried to do in these areas, and thus have no trust whatsoever that they could possibly get it right on the...what, 20th try?
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    Re: Do you view Social Security as an entitlement?

    An "entitlement program" within American ideological lexicon is pretty much anything you haven't put money into and yet feel you have a right to use. So SS is an "entitlement program" depending on who is receiving it. I am entitled to it because I've worked and supported it. Others feel they're entitled to it even though they've made no effort to become supportive members of society. So yes, it's an entitlement program, but entitlement is defined by referencing the individual in question.
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    Re: Do you view Social Security as an entitlement?

    It is an entitlement in the sense that it is money, taken from my checks by the government, with guarantees that I will get it back when I retire. As such, I am entitled to it, regardless.

    Personally, I'd rather just keep the money and invest it myself, I can do a much better job than the government can any day of the week.
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    Re: Do you view Social Security as an entitlement?

    If left alone SS should have a pretty big surplus, it was pretty well designed from the get go. The problem is we overspend while cutting revenues in many other areas which made the SS fund a prime target for some of the idiots we elected. Cutting massive amounts of revenue through tax breaks for the wealthiest people and corporations while simultaneously trying to fund two or three wars, massive bailouts of banks and other private businesses (corporate welfare), and doing nothing realistic about rising medical costs and insurance premiums while trying to fund medicare are three of our biggest issues. I don't see why cutting social security should be on the table without seriously addressing those problems first. Also, I'm not sure that whoever made this poll actually knows what an entitlement is, so I didn't answer.

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