View Poll Results: Do you view social security is an entitlement that can be altered?

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  • Yes, it should be eliminated completely.

    45 50.00%
  • Yes, I could handle a small level of program reduction.

    6 6.67%
  • No, its my money, and the government has no right to touch it.

    32 35.56%
  • I dont know and/or it depends on what is offered as a replacement program.

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    Re: Do you view Social Security as an entitlement?

    Quote Originally Posted by PzKfW IVe View Post
    And, in their place, add hundreds of billions of dollars to the debt, all in the name of job creation, with nothing to show for it.
    That wasn't SS; That was the rightwingers under bush*
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Do you view Social Security as an entitlement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The US has never operated under pure capitalism because it is not practical. What you are describing is a libertarian utopia, which does not exist anywhere on the planet.
    Your brain is an enormous fail bucket, isn't it? You want to bitch about trickle down failing and I tell you that its not possible in this system we have today and you tell me I was talking about pure capitalism? WTF is wrong with you?



    Yeah, right:
    I imagine you have some braincells caked on the inside of your skull somewhere.

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    Re: Do you view Social Security as an entitlement?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    But this seems not to be working, judging from the latest election results.
    People fell for the pre-2010 GOP talk, until they saw the post-2010 GOP walk.

    And of course, social security is an entitlement, but, like so many other things, it needs to be "fine tuned".
    We need politicians willing to do this....both conservatives and liberals....willing to work together for the benefit of their nation,,,maybe thats what we need, a "rebirth" of idealism, and a death of negativism.
    Yes, SS will need to have the FICA cap raised to make it solvent for the long term.
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    Re: Do you view Social Security as an entitlement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    So this is Catawba's arguing point? That the Dems have placed the elderly in fear so much that the GOP "wants to take away their money", so they brainwash, delude, and bold-face lie about their counterpart in an effort to scaremonger the populist vote?

    Wow. I'd brag about that.
    The GOP budget proposal is what scared seniors. Catawba had no part in writing it!
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    Re: Do you view Social Security as an entitlement?

    Quote Originally Posted by PzKfW IVe View Post
    And, in their place, add hundreds of billions of dollars to the debt, all in the name of job creation, with nothing to show for it.
    GOP presidents have approved more of our National debt than have Democrat presidents, but don't let facts get in your way!
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    Re: Do you view Social Security as an entitlement?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    That wasn't SS; That was the rightwingers under bush*
    It is simply amazing there are some who are not aware that SS has not added one dime to our national debt. Clearly, we are not spending enough on education in this country.
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    Re: Do you view Social Security as an entitlement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    GOP presidents have approved more of our National debt than have Democrat presidents, but don't let facts get in your way!
    Not surprisingly, you're sidestepping the point.
    But then, when you cannot actually address that point, what choice to you have?

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    Re: Do you view Social Security as an entitlement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    It is simply amazing there are some who are not aware that SS has not added one dime to our national debt. Clearly, we are not spending enough on education in this country.
    Thanks for your opinion; it only denotes that neither you nor she understood the point that was made.

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    Re: Do you view Social Security as an entitlement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    GOP presidents have approved more of our National debt than have Democrat presidents, but don't let facts get in your way!
    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    It is simply amazing there are some who are not aware that SS has not added one dime to our national debt. Clearly, we are not spending enough on education in this country.
    Both of these statements are very misleading.

    If you don't read anything else in this post, please look at the last link included.

    The President doesn't control the spending. Yes, he's supposed to put forth the budget, but Bill Clinton was the only President who had a line item veto for awhile. Meaning, if Congress wants to do something strongly enough, the President can't stop it. He sure can't hold up the budget because then everybody screams "fire" ("government shut down").

    Republicans controlled the House and Senate from 1995 to 2000.
    1996 Debt Increased by 6.71%
    1997 Debt Increased by 3.37%
    1998 Debt Increased by 2.03%
    1999 Debt Increased by 2.88%
    2000 Debt Decreased by 1.97% (a product of the "Contract with America" led by Newt Gingrich in preceding years)

    in 2001 and 2002 the House and Senate were split and the debt grew by an average of 6.37% (9/11) and to a height of a 9.25% increase by 2003 when Republicans (not particularly conservative Republicans) regained a slight majority. Then the increase decreased (politician speak) gradually each year (9.25%, 8.55%, 7.56%, 6.24%) to 6.24% in 2006. The Democrats gained control of both House and Senate in 2007 (elected end of 2006) and in 2008 the increase in debt jumped from 6.32% in 2007 to 15.93% in 2008 another 15.06% in 2009 and another 13.92% in 2010. About a 52% increase in debt in just 3 years -wow!

    Social Security, primarily, pays people from what new people put into the system (not from what people put in themselves). When it runs short, it's backed by the Treasury. When the Treasury runs short, Congress raises the debt ceiling. If, eventually, Congress doesn't balance the budget and can't borrow more money, Social Security, at some point, will default.

    For example, the fund was nearly depleted in 1982. No beneficiary was shortchanged because the Congress enacted temporary emergency legislation that permitted borrowing from other Federal trust funds. The borrowed amounts were repaid with interest within 4 years.

    In 1996 the Treasury Dept. announced it did not have enough money to pay Social Security benefits for the month of March because it could not issue new debt. However, Congress passed a law allowing the department to temporarily issue securities in an amount equal to those payments, in such a way that would not count against the debt ceiling in the short-term. The benefits were paid and Congress subsequently raised the debt ceiling from $4.9 trillion to $5.5 trillion. The payments are not protected if Treasury does not have the money to pay them.

    On paper, it looks pretty stable right now: Social Security Online - HISTORY -- the worry is the increasing population in retirees compared to those putting money into the system -- starting about 2020: http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/96xx/doc9...rityUpdate.pdf (BAD NEWS!)
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    Re: Do you view Social Security as an entitlement?

    Insane to even think about eliminating social security., now....but maybe in 100 years when we are a lot smarter and less greedy....
    Most of us are healthier, live a lot longer, so YES... increase the retirement age to 67....
    Perhaps an age of 55 for our coal miners....But even their "deal" has improved over the years, thanks to OHSA.

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