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Thread: Should Woman's Choice Trump the Man's??

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    Should Woman's Choice Trump the Man's??

    If a woman chooses to keep her pregnancy and have a child against the man's wishes and she chooses to not use her legal option of birth control and have an abortion, should the man have to pay child suport for her choice.Should the man have to pay Child Support if he does not want the child and the woman decides to not opt to have an abortion as a means of contraception?I think that he should not be legally liable if he does not want the child. The woman has all the choice and can not only keep the baby and make him pay, but she can keep the baby, not tell him about the baby and then hit him up 18 years later for back Child Support.This thread is not about a woman's right to choose. That is legal and fine and all that. This thread is about a woman's choice subjegating a man to the role of a wallet for 18 years due to the whim of a woman's choice to keep a child against his wishes. Before we hear the whole, he shoulda kept it in his pants and now he has no choice in the matter. That is understood. That is the law. The issue is, is the law fair? As far as I am aware, there is no case law that deals with him being forced due to her choice. There is law about her having a choice, but none about why he should have to pay for her choice. That being said, this thread is not about the law, but about what is right. This is also not about exceptions: ie, she found out 5 months into her pregnancy due to irregular cycles, etc. This is about the woman that gets pregnant when the man wants to leave the marriage, or the woman that pricks the condom when having sex with a guy that she just met so that she gets pregnant and wants nothing to do with him or the times that a one-nighter turns into an 18 year nightmare simply because she wanted the child more and the state backs her decision out of sexism.Are women not responsible? Can she not be held liable for her own decisions?If she wants the baby, that is fine. She should have the baby and the man should be able to be out of the picture, should he so choose. If she doesn not want to raise the child on her own with no support, then she should abort. Easy as that. That is her right. That is the law. Hopefull I have explained all of this well enough. Yes, this is about abortion and threads like this exist in the Abortion Forum, but this is also a poll. I would like to know what people think outside the abortion debating crowd.Be nice please and just stick to the poll. If tangents occur please make a thread in the Abortion Forum as would be appropriate.Thanks...
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    Re: Should Woman's Choice Trump the Man's??

    Child support is about giving the kid needed resources, not the parents. If for whatever reason the father ends up with custody of the child, the mother should be expected to pay child support as well. The current system is badly structured on numerous levels, but the basic concept is sound. Children need resources and care, so the parents should be the first to shoulder the burden.

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    Re: Should Woman's Choice Trump the Man's??

    Sorry....but the man should have ZERO say in it. He is not the one that carries the fetus. This is a woman's choice and a woman's choice only.
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    Re: Should Woman's Choice Trump the Man's??

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Sorry....but the man should have ZERO say in it. He is not the one that carries the fetus. This is a woman's choice and a woman's choice only.
    If you want to make that argument then we can say that until women are physically stronger than men that men should be more dominant. We can choose equal treatment for both genders or unequal due to biological differences, but pick your side and stick with it.
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    Re: Should Woman's Choice Trump the Man's??

    If a woman wants to keep a pregnancy that the father wishes to abort, they should make their choices in writing, allowing the man to absolve all emotional and financial responsibilities.

    I think that's an easy one - much harder than the reverse, which I would have no idea how to handle.

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    Re: Should Woman's Choice Trump the Man's??

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    If you want to make that argument then we can say that until women are physically stronger than men that men should be more dominant. We can choose equal treatment for both genders or unequal due to biological differences, but pick your side and stick with it.
    That is a false argument for two reasons. The first is that there a female weight lifters and the like who are a lot stronger than your average guy. The second is that our society isn't based on strength, men don't get to dominate other men because they are stronger. It isn't physically possible for anyone other than women to carry children. If we develop some advanced biotechnology that puts a womb in a dude, the same standard would apply.

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    Re: Should Woman's Choice Trump the Man's??

    The man made a conscious choice to potentially become a father when he engaged in the sexual act with the woman. In that decision, he committed himself to provide at least 50% of the support necessary for the child until they turn 18 and at least 25% of the support necessary for the child's mother for that same period of time so far as I'm concerned.

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    Re: Should Woman's Choice Trump the Man's??

    So a woman can shirk responsibility via abortion, but a man can't?

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    Re: Should Woman's Choice Trump the Man's??

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    So a woman can shirk responsibility via abortion, but a man can't?
    Only in two cases:

    1. When the pregnancy is the result of a sexual act to which the woman did not consent. Consent to sex is consent to parenthood for BOTH genders so far as I am concerned.

    2. When the continuation of the pregnancy puts the mother at imminent risk of DEATH.

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    Re: Should Woman's Choice Trump the Man's??

    Oh, you're one of those...

    Nevermind.

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