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    Re: Should Woman's Choice Trump the Man's??

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    It is none of those things. It isn't fair because the woman is the one who actually carries the child and for many people having an abortion is a major decision. It isn't as easy as a man flippantly signing a piece of paper eschewing responsibility for his offspring. It isn't logical because the whole purpose of child support is to ensure that the child is well-provided for financially, by both parents to the best of their abilities. It doesn't assess who is more at "fault" for the pregnancy occurring in the first place. And it's only non-discriminatory in the narrowest sense, because men already have the same abortion rights as women (i.e. if you get pregnant, you're just as free as a woman is to have an abortion).
    uhm who cares if the woman carries the child LMAO that is absolutely MEANINGLESS in this debate.

    Please explain to me what merit that has in this debate?

    also please stay on topic, nobody claim who is more at fault so save appeals to emotion please.

    Its totally logical because its fair and regardless of what you think the purpose of child support is this wont effect it in reality LMAO

    and your last line about equal abortion rights is just totally dishonest because you have nothing else of substance to offer.

    Blacks had the same rights as white before too, they could drink out of water fountains just not THIS water fountain. See how silly that is but I would prefer dont to play silly games and talk about REALITY and real world facts.
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    Re: Should Woman's Choice Trump the Man's??

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    uhm who cares if the woman carries the child LMAO that is absolutely MEANINGLESS in this debate.
    *let me start by saying I’m mostly anti-abortion, but in the spirit of the discussion…*

    I think there are undeniable, fundamental physical differences between a man and a woman, and I’m sorry Centrist the whole process is not more ‘fair’ where maybe the man and the women could mutually fertilize a mutually formed skin pod that is somewhere outside and detached from both of their bodies, but that just isn’t the case.

    The child grows in the woman, not the man, and therefore only a woman can have an abortion, and ultimately only a woman can choose to abort.

    If a man could abort, they’d be able to have that choice too, but men can’t have babies (and there’s nothing you can do to change this).



    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    Blacks had the same rights as white before too, they could drink out of water fountains just not THIS water fountain. See how silly that is but I would prefer dont to play silly games and talk about REALITY and real world facts.
    Irrelevant in the discussion because there are no differences between a black man vs a white man, whereas there are MANY differences between a man and a woman.

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    Re: Should Woman's Choice Trump the Man's??

    Quote Originally Posted by David D. View Post
    *let me start by saying I’m mostly anti-abortion, but in the spirit of the discussion…*

    I think there are undeniable, fundamental physical differences between a man and a woman, and I’m sorry Centrist the whole process is not more ‘fair’ where maybe the man and the women could mutually fertilize a mutually formed skin pod that is somewhere outside and detached from both of their bodies, but that just isn’t the case.

    The child grows in the woman, not the man, and therefore only a woman can have an abortion, and ultimately only a woman can choose to abort.

    If a man could abort, they’d be able to have that choice too, but men can’t have babies (and there’s nothing you can do to change this).





    Irrelevant in the discussion because there are no differences between a black man vs a white man, whereas there are MANY differences between a man and a woman.
    you seem to be saying I want the man to be able to tell the women NOT to abort?
    nope thats not what I want at all I only want options for the man in the beggining to not be responsible if the WOMEN chooses to not abort.

    The physical difference are meaningless the law needs to be fair, just and not discriminate.

    So regardless of the physical differences the law needs to be fair. Sorry EQUAL RIGHTS.
    Pretty simple and common sense. The law can MAKE it fair without compromising anything else so it needs done.
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    Re: Should Woman's Choice Trump the Man's??

    Another one Boddhi, seriously?

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    Re: Should Woman's Choice Trump the Man's??

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    you seem to be saying I want the man to be able to tell the women NOT to abort?
    nope thats not what I want at all I only want options for the man in the beggining to not be responsible if the WOMEN chooses to not abort.
    Your scenario would basically mean that any male who wishes not to be a father would could just sign a paper saying "I asked her to abort, so now I don't have to provide any support for the child". Seems too easy. What kind of effect do you think this would have on low income areas?

    Men could impregnate as many women as they could possibly want because they would have absolutely NO consequence for doing so. What's to stop them from doing this? What would be their incentive for even using birth control?

    This is not an equal rights situation because each person isn't affected equally by the pregnancy, and again comes down to our biological differences.


    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    The physical difference are meaningless the law needs to be fair, just and not discriminate.
    Physical difference is not meaningless. It's much easier for a man to opt out than a woman because essentially the woman has to make the final choice as to whether or not she is going to assassinate and flush out the growing fetus inside of her. This is a much more difficult decision than just signing some piece of paper. Your system puts all of the heavy burden on the female, which is not fair.

    Once conception has taken place, I believe the man is now along for the ride.

    If he's scared about whether or not she's taken her pill, then use a freakin' condom. And if you think the condom has been tampered with, go and buy your own. That simple.
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    Re: Should Woman's Choice Trump the Man's??

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    uhm who cares if the woman carries the child LMAO that is absolutely MEANINGLESS in this debate.

    Please explain to me what merit that has in this debate?

    also please stay on topic, nobody claim who is more at fault so save appeals to emotion please.

    Its totally logical because its fair and regardless of what you think the purpose of child support is this wont effect it in reality LMAO

    and your last line about equal abortion rights is just totally dishonest because you have nothing else of substance to offer.

    Blacks had the same rights as white before too, they could drink out of water fountains just not THIS water fountain. See how silly that is but I would prefer dont to play silly games and talk about REALITY and real world facts.
    One more thing.

    How about we make it completely fair;

    The man can say that he wishes not to have to pay child support and that's fine. On the same token, the female can opt out from having to support the child as well, and that's fine too.

    As for the abortion, that's a different topic. What happens to the baby after it's born?

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    Re: Should Woman's Choice Trump the Man's??

    The man can say that he wishes not to have to pay child support and that's fine.
    I think that's what many of us guys wish to have. It's also an available method to avoid a "trap" set by a woman. Otherwise, you have 18 years of her dangling something you don't want over your head.

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    Re: Should Woman's Choice Trump the Man's??

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    I think that's what many of us guys wish to have. It's also an available method to avoid a "trap" set by a woman. Otherwise, you have 18 years of her dangling something you don't want over your head.
    When you sleep with a lady, it's your own job to protect yourself. Buy your own condoms and don't rely on what she says about the BC pills.

    If you impregnate, and that turns into a baby which makes it out of the birthing canal into the world, it’s 50% yours under the law (unless both producing parties consent to relieve this responsibility from one or the other).

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    Re: Should Woman's Choice Trump the Man's??

    She has the right to make it 0% hers before it gets to that point. I don't.

    That needs to change.

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    Re: Should Woman's Choice Trump the Man's??

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    She has the right to make it 0% hers before it gets to that point. I don't.

    Sure you do.



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