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  • Should the woman be responsible for her own choice to not abort?

    16 37.21%
  • Should the man be forced to pay child support due to the choice of the woman?

    14 32.56%
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Thread: Should Woman's Choice Trump the Man's??

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    Re: Should Woman's Choice Trump the Man's??

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    No, but it changes dynamics. If one, why not the other? I mean, hell it's not even as bad as the other. If the man abdicates at worst the kid is poor. If the woman abdicates, the kid is dead.



    No thought is given to the actual interests of the CHILD in the abortion debate anyway. I'm not doing anything new. I'm just using the same logic.



    So? We already kill how many for the parents own financial gain? Abortion is killing for convenience, how is this anything worse?
    Since this entire post assumes that everyone agrees with your premise that abortion is murder - which you know perfectly well is the very issue in dispute in abortion debates - I'm not going to bother to respond to any of these points.
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    Re: Should Woman's Choice Trump the Man's??

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    No, but it changes dynamics. If one, why not the other? I mean, hell it's not even as bad as the other. If the man abdicates at worst the kid is poor. If the woman abdicates, the kid is dead.



    No thought is given to the actual interests of the CHILD in the abortion debate anyway. I'm not doing anything new. I'm just using the same logic.



    So? We already kill how many for the parents own financial gain? Abortion is killing for convenience, how is this anything worse?
    Since this entire post assumes that everyone agrees with your premise that abortion is murder - which you know perfectly well is the very issue in dispute in abortion debates - I'm not going to bother to respond to any of these points.
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    Re: Should Woman's Choice Trump the Man's??

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Since this entire post assumes that everyone agrees with your premise that abortion is murder - which you know perfectly well is the very issue in dispute in abortion debates - I'm not going to bother to respond to any of these points.
    I didn't say murder, I said killing. You are extinguishing human life with abortion. But you've hit on the premise of these threads. You've made an initial assumption to support your debate and refuse to acknowledge anything counter to it. But there is no doubt that abortion stops the child from being born, it wipes them out. That's just a fact of abortion. You can not acknowledge it all you want, but reproductive biology is well understood at this point.
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    Re: Should Woman's Choice Trump the Man's??

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    do much in reality to support the child if the mother/father dont want to be REAL parents.
    well child support is the only means of legally forcing parents to support the child in some manner and in many cases, it does, in fact, get the kid things that he or she needs so i'll take it.

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    Re: Should Woman's Choice Trump the Man's??

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I didn't say murder, I said killing. You are extinguishing human life with abortion.


    But you've hit on the premise of these threads.
    Actually there appear to be several people earnestly arguing that this would be the best policy; you just don't happen to be one of them.

    You've made an initial assumption to support your debate and refuse to acknowledge anything counter to it. But there is no doubt that abortion stops the child from being born, it wipes them out. That's just a fact of abortion. You can not acknowledge it all you want, but reproductive biology is well understood at this point.
    Cool. I'm going to debate the actual subject at hand, rather than the morality of abortion.
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    Re: Should Woman's Choice Trump the Man's??

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    well child support is the only means of legally forcing parents to support the child in some manner and in many cases, it does, in fact, get the kid things that he or she needs so i'll take it.
    its very little support if any when the people do NOT want to be parents.

    the fact really is it does little to nothing in the majority of cases where the parent wants no responsibility.

    Money is not a replacement for parents and in reality it does little because most times WHEN PEOPLE DONT WANT TO BE PARENTS its not much money or they simple dont pay.

    thats the point, in reality it does very little in the cases where parents dont want responsibility which is what we are talking about.
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    Re: Should Woman's Choice Trump the Man's??

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    .....One truth: this fairly tale fantasy 'past' that you're envisioning never existed.
    Then humanity has no value and should be wiped off the face of the planet like we have tried to do to every other form of vermin and rodent.

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    Re: Should Woman's Choice Trump the Man's??

    Quote Originally Posted by David D. View Post
    Is this a sarcastic quote or are you being serious?
    I don't believe in humor or satire as appropriate forms of communication.


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    Re: Should Woman's Choice Trump the Man's??

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Then humanity has no value and should be wiped off the face of the planet like we have tried to do to every other form of vermin and rodent.
    It just never had your values like you wish it did. Your values seem to be the idealized and fantasize sculpted enforced white european catholic part of history. Which, btw, even the enforcers and writers of which couldn't adhere to.

    Never mind that it makes up just a tiny sliver of human history altogether. . . but go on and try to convert back to the Middle Ages if you'd like. You can slum it with the Hohenzollerns if you wish.
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    Re: Should Woman's Choice Trump the Man's??

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    It just never had your values like you wish it did. Your values seem to be the idealized and fantasize sculpted enforced white european catholic part of history. Which, btw, even the enforcers and writers of which couldn't adhere to.
    My values are something like that. They don't utilize religion as any part of their basis, substituting Morality instead, but I'm not sure you can comprehend the difference there. Again, assuming that the ideals I seek never have existed and cannot in the human race, then we are no better than the Bubonic Plague and deserve nothing more than total extermination, like any other virus on this planet.


    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Never mind that it makes up just a tiny sliver of human history altogether. . . but go on and try to convert back to the Middle Ages if you'd like.
    It would be a damn sight better than what I deal with in society today.

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