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Thread: Should Woman's Choice Trump the Man's??

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    Re: Should Woman's Choice Trump the Man's??

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    You have to realize that given the power, I'd force him to marry her and raise the child with her, but that's not feasible in our current system.
    You mean "force them to marry eachother" - marriage isn't a one-way street, you know.
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    Re: Should Woman's Choice Trump the Man's??

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Why is an unhappy two parent household filled with strife and resentment better than a happy and stable one parent one? Maybe she'll meet someone better two years later, whom she'll marry and be happy with, who'll be a good father. If she had to marry the first guy, none of that would come to pass. Maybe that won't happen, but there's a lot of potential if one isn't limited.
    Remember that in my mind a marriage is much more a business proposition than a relationship based on emotional attachment and "love".

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    Re: Should Woman's Choice Trump the Man's??

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    You mean "force them to marry eachother" - marriage isn't a one-way street, you know.
    However you want to look at it, I would force the two of them to raise the child together.

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    Re: Should Woman's Choice Trump the Man's??

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Remember that in my mind a marriage is much more a business proposition than a relationship based on emotional attachment and "love".
    *snort*

    Trust me babe - there's no 'business' to it. Those who marry for financial and other reasons beyond love (or something of that nature) often end in divorce or worse. You must have something that keeps you together and gives you a reason to deal with each other's issues and troubles.

    And put a child in the middle - wow - children in a relationship can be the most challenging aspect which can test even the closest of couples.

    The worst thing that happened to my first two children and myself was my marriage to their sperm donor - we were doing the 'right thing' (to appease everyone else in the world when I was knocked up) and it was a horrid idea that led to nothing but abuse, neglect, drug addiction and everything else.
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    Re: Should Woman's Choice Trump the Man's??

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    *snort*

    Trust me babe - there's no 'business' to it. Those who marry for financial and other reasons beyond love (or something of that nature) often end in divorce or worse. You must have something that keeps you together and gives you a reason to deal with each other's issues and troubles.

    And put a child in the middle - wow - children in a relationship can be the most challenging aspect which can test even the closest of couples.
    It's only in the last two centuries that marriage has been anything other than an arranged concept in the vast majority of society, yet things worked out fairly well for the millenia before that when arranged marriages, often based on politics and money more than anything else were the prevailing relationship model.

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    Re: Should Woman's Choice Trump the Man's??

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    It's only in the last two centuries that marriage has been anything other than an arranged concept in the vast majority of society, yet things worked out fairly well for the millenia before that when arranged marriages, often based on politics and money more than anything else were the prevailing relationship model.
    Together forever for love is a new concept?

    Wow - were you high in psychology, history and art class?

    Maybe for some rich people it was about 'status' or for religious people it was about 'the offspring' - but that doesn't dominate the history of marriage throughout the world.
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    Re: Should Woman's Choice Trump the Man's??

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Remember that in my mind a marriage is much more a business proposition than a relationship based on emotional attachment and "love".
    But we all know that children that are raised in loving and stable households fare better in life. Isn't successful children the product that this business is trying to produce?
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    Re: Should Woman's Choice Trump the Man's??

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    But we all know that children that are raised in loving and stable households fare better in life. Isn't successful children the product that this business is trying to produce?
    Not in Tigger's underdeveloped world.

    I'm just a baby-making machine and seeing as how I can't have children anymore I wonder if he thinks I should be put down like a lame horse.
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    Re: Should Woman's Choice Trump the Man's??

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Together forever for love is a new concept? Wow - were you high in psychology, history and art class? Maybe for some rich people it was about 'status' or for religious people it was about 'the offspring' - but that doesn't dominate the history of marriage throughout the world.
    It is a new concept as the basis for most marriages. The real beginnings of the concept in Western Civilization can be traced back to the work "Le Mort D'Arthur" by Sir Thomas Mallory in the 13th Century. For those who are unaware this is the work from which we derive the Arthurian legends. Prior to that there is no significant existance of the concept of Romantic Love as a basis for a relationship in western culture.

    Thankfully I never had to take Psych or Art classes (beyond elementary school art anyway).

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    But we all know that children that are raised in loving and stable households fare better in life. Isn't successful children the product that this business is trying to produce?
    Do we? Are today's children really better off than we were in my generation or before? I don't think so. I really believe that today's children are coddled and that they will eventually end up growing into spineless piles of mush as they near adulthood.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Not in Tigger's underdeveloped world.

    I'm just a baby-making machine and seeing as how I can't have children anymore I wonder if he thinks I should be put down like a lame horse.
    Not at all. There's always cooking, cleaning, laundry, grocery shopping, etc... that needs to be done.

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    Re: Should Woman's Choice Trump the Man's??

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    It is a new concept as the basis for most marriages. The real beginnings of the concept in Western Civilization can be traced back to the work "Le Mort D'Arthur" by Sir Thomas Mallory in the 13th Century. For those who are unaware this is the work from which we derive the Arthurian legends. Prior to that there is no significant existance of the concept of Romantic Love as a basis for a relationship in western culture.

    Thankfully I never had to take Psych or Art classes (beyond elementary school art anyway).
    There's plenty of evidence - but since you've never studied history through psychology or art you have no clue about it.

    Not at all. There's always cooking, cleaning, laundry, grocery shopping, etc... that needs to be done.
    Indeed - my husband cooked dinner tonight while I built the casing for my new kitchen windows.

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