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Thread: Should Woman's Choice Trump the Man's??

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    Re: Should Woman's Choice Trump the Man's??

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    reality is how so, where do you live in fantasy land?

    condoms break all the time, other methods also fail including spermicide which some people are also allergic too or cant use.

    Lots of couples have unprotected sex with just the girl using a form of birthcontrol

    Like I said REALITY

    I dont know where you live but thinking protection works so well and that people dont have unprotected sex is nonsense.
    also the 98% rate is bogus because thats stated with "perfect use" and then its always stated like 85% with "typical use" and then you start to see the real picture really fast. Roughly that translates into what, 15 out of 100 times theres a chance of pregnancy! whats the work out to a year with a normal active young couple? about 45+ times in a year they could have got pregnant? if the couples lives together 90+ times in a year?

    Sorry not buying it to much reality to trump your vacuum example

    if you prefer, a vasectomy is very effective. I had one 30 years ago and it has never let me down.
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    Re: Should Woman's Choice Trump the Man's??

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I see you were unable to provide a quote to back up your claim.
    So then you fully agree with me, that if a women gets pregnant, a man shouldn't have to pay unless he conscents. Good, glad you turned yourself around to see it my way.
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    Re: Should Woman's Choice Trump the Man's??

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    So then you fully agree with me, that if a women gets pregnant, a man shouldn't have to pay unless he conscents. Good, glad you turned yourself around to see it my way.
    If a man chooses provide his semen to a female that is currently ovulating, and she has a baby as a result, he has to support the child.

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    Re: Should Woman's Choice Trump the Man's??

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    if you prefer, a vasectomy is very effective. I had one 30 years ago and it has never let me down.
    LMAO
    more dishonesty, avoidance of reality and simply unrealistic illogical thinking

    its funny how you ignore reality

    do you have anything of substance to offer?
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    Re: Should Woman's Choice Trump the Man's??

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    So then you fully agree with me, that if a women gets pregnant, a man shouldn't have to pay unless he conscents. Good, glad you turned yourself around to see it my way.
    What are you smoking???? He consented when he had unprotected sex.
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    Re: Should Woman's Choice Trump the Man's??

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    What are you smoking???? He consented when he had unprotected sex.
    consented to what?, there is no consent except to engage in sex.
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    Re: Should Woman's Choice Trump the Man's??

    Wow, you guys really beat this horse to a pulp. I have personal experience with this subject, so I'll through my bit in and maybe we can kill it.
    I became a father in 1997, I was 20 when my girlfriend told me she was pregnant. I was surprised because I helped her pay for birth control, however she neglected to tell me that she ran out of the pill. I told her I wanted her to have an abortion, she disagreed, obviously it's her body it's her choice. She said if I didn't want to be a dad she would do it on her own. So I talked to a lawyer, and he said that there is a way to do it legally. If she and I agreed to sign an affidavit stating that I am the biological father but am not responsible for the upbringing or support of the child. But... I could not change my mind after this is done. I decided that I would take responsibility for my actions and be a dad. 5 years later, we were married and living together in an apartment. Well she had an affair and got pregnant. We separated before the baby was born, but she still had my last name. So the baby has my last name. The biological father of this baby was on social security and the state could not get any child support out of him by some bull**** loophole, so they came after me for the money seeing that I was the considered the father by association. Thankfully my X had the decency to explain to the judge that this child was not mine, and that she wouldn't accept child support from me for this baby. Right there in the court room we sign the affidavit that absolved me from paying for a child that was not mine.
    So, legally, if you find yourself in a similar situation then get a lawyer and ask about this. The man does have a choice to be a father or not, if and only if the woman was untruthful about the use of birth control. Of course you could say that men should always wear a condom, but if the girl says "No it's okay, I'm on the pill" when she really wasn't then the man has a choice. This is of course if you can prove it in a court of law, according to my lawyer. This all happened in the state of Rhode Island by the way, and I'm not sure what federal law says about this, or how other states deal with this.
    In my opinion, the best way to stop unwanted birth is to use birth control, whether that is a condom or the pill or abstinence. And the only way to do it successfully is to educate our children about sex, and the various forms of birth control. Unfortunately there are too many people who refuse to see this philosophy is the way to go, and until people wake up to see the truths in life we will have this stupid debate on our plate.

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    Re: Should Woman's Choice Trump the Man's??

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    consented to what?, there is no consent except to engage in sex.
    And he is unaware that unprotected sex likely leads to pregnancy?
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    Re: Should Woman's Choice Trump the Man's??

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    And he is unaware that unprotected sex likely leads to pregnancy?
    depends? is she on the pill, other BC, did she say she cant get pregnant, maybe she didnt stop when need to etc etc etc

    hell maybe they were into BDSM and he was tied down and she was on top????

    why do you choose to live in a vacuum, in fantasy land, instead of reality.

    Sorry the only consent given is the consent to have sex NOTHING ELSE lol
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    Re: Should Woman's Choice Trump the Man's??

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    depends? is she on the pill, other BC, did she say she cant get pregnant, maybe she didnt stop when need to etc etc etc

    hell maybe they were into BDSM and he was tied down and she was on top????

    why do you choose to live in a vacuum, in fantasy land, instead of reality.

    Sorry the only consent given is the consent to have sex NOTHING ELSE lol
    If that is your attitude, you deserve to have to pay child support. I have no sympathy for your willfully ignorant position and will not waste further time on you.
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