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Thread: Should Woman's Choice Trump the Man's??

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    Re: Should Woman's Choice Trump the Man's??

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I understand that. I explained how I am not confusing biology with the law.

    Regarding what you just said though... what is unequal is that everything, including his wallet, hinges on HER "choice". Biology has nothing to do with a law that forces him to pay for her choice. Nobody seems to be able to adequately address that either... i just keep getting bomb analogies.
    She forced the guy to stick his penis in her????? You are completely ignoring that he made the choice to do that himself, and then you seek to absolve him of the responsibility of that choice.
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    Re: Should Woman's Choice Trump the Man's??

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    And your solution is what? I get that you object to men being subjected to a woman's veto on this issue, that we put our balls on the chopping block and she gets to decide our fate, but what is the alternative?
    That if she makes the choice to not use birth control and have an abortion when he is told and if he wants her to have an abortion, that she is making the choice to care for and support the child on her own. No child, no need for support. This is all about her choice. All that matters is that the baby be supported. If she can not do it, nor find support from family, then she should respoonsibly abort.
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    Re: Should Woman's Choice Trump the Man's??

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    She forced the guy to stick his penis in her????? You are completely ignoring that he made the choice to do that himself, and then you seek to absolve him of the responsibility of that choice.
    Am I? Really? As a man who has had some sex and a father of two, I didn't know that at all since I WAS forced. Thanks though, at least not all men were forced into sex like I was!

    She has the ultimate choice. Why do you keep ignoring that and go back in time and try to make it 50/50? Why do you keep talking about biology when it is law that is the issue? Why why why?
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    Re: Should Woman's Choice Trump the Man's??

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    That if she makes the choice to not use birth control and have an abortion when he is told and if he wants her to have an abortion, that she is making the choice to care for and support the child on her own. No child, no need for support. This is all about her choice. All that matters is that the baby be supported. If she can not do it, nor find support from family, then she should respoonsibly abort.
    What if she honestly believes that she can support the child but this turns out to be an unrealistic belief that becomes plainly evident months after the child is born. Now what?

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    Re: Should Woman's Choice Trump the Man's??

    Quote Originally Posted by David D. View Post
    Who are all these crazy condom-pricking females anyways? Easy solution is for the man to simply buy his own condoms. I say it is his job to make sure what he's putting on is not defective, as it's his semen that needs to be blocked, right?
    It's not an epidemic yet, that is for sure. I knew of two women that did this and others who employed other measures to get pregnant, though almost all were in relationships. Most people don't find this stuff out. One got a guy drunk, played lovey with him, slept with him, pricked the condom that he bought and two months later hit him up for support and then she got him for child support even though she wanted nothing to do with him. She planned the whole thing.

    Another was a women who seduced her husband in the middle of the night and "oops, I forgot to take the pill lately honey!"

    This type of horse**** goes on all the time. Women get pregnant to keep a man, to have a baby from a man they don't want, to save a marraige, because her biological clock is ticking... you have seriously never heard of anything like this? Wow.

    Also, regarding the alcohol, I'd say the guy is 100% in charge of himself and should have said no to the booze. If the guy gets in a drunk driving accident afterwards is it still the woman's fault?
    You equate a devious and intentional plan of getting a guy drunk for a night and getting pregnant with an unintentional non-plan of getting in a car and getting in an accident? How can a car be deceptive and manipulative? You give far too much credit to the car, IMO.

    Maybe if the woman drugs the man, ties him up in her basement, and then proceeds to have sex with him against his will and conceives, I will consider your 50/50 scenario with the child support.

    But until that happens, I don't think the man should have a choice once he gives away his semen away...
    Don't consider it then... it is only a fair and equitable plan.
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    Re: Should Woman's Choice Trump the Man's??

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Am I? Really? As a man who has had some sex and a father of two, I didn't know that at all since I WAS forced. Thanks though, at least not all men were forced into sex like I was!
    So you were raped by a woman? Are you a particularly little guy, or was she a particularly large woman? How did she force you to have sex with her?

    She has the ultimate choice. Why do you keep ignoring that and go back in time and try to make it 50/50? Why do you keep talking about biology when it is law that is the issue? Why why why?
    You both have a choice, except in the case of rape.
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    Re: Should Woman's Choice Trump the Man's??

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    What if she honestly believes that she can support the child but this turns out to be an unrealistic belief that becomes plainly evident months after the child is born. Now what?
    That happens to two parent families already... **** happens and we can't hold everybody's hand all the time, right?
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    Re: Should Woman's Choice Trump the Man's??

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    So you were raped by a woman? Are you a particularly little guy, or was she a particularly large woman? How did she force you to have sex with her?
    She said yes. I had no choice.

    I am 6'2" 205 lbs and very fit athlete that knows martial arts. I don't think a woman could make me do anything against my will, except all the times I was forced to have sex.

    You both have a choice, except in the case of rape.
    We are talking about birth control... abortion. Not choosing to have sex. He has no choice in the matter. She has ALL of the choice, and consequently, power, as it is set up now.
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    Re: Should Woman's Choice Trump the Man's??

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    That happens to two parent families already... **** happens and we can't hold everybody's hand all the time, right?
    Yeah, **** happens and we can't hold everyone's hand. I don't argue with that. I'm still looking for an answer though. If this woman cannot support her baby, then what? Forcibly take her baby away from her and put it up for adoption? Let the mother kill the baby? Let the baby starve? What is your answer to what the women should, or must, do when she discovers that she can't support the child?

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    Re: Should Woman's Choice Trump the Man's??

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    Yeah, **** happens and we can't hold everyone's hand. I don't argue with that. I'm still looking for an answer though. If this woman cannot support her baby, then what? Forcibly take her baby away from her and put it up for adoption? Let the mother kill the baby? Let the baby starve? What is your answer to what the women should, or must, do when she discovers that she can't support the child?
    I guess that she would go on the dole. The same thing should happen that happens to two parent families that can't support their children or lifestyles... right? Why is there a diffference?
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