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  • Should the woman be responsible for her own choice to not abort?

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  • Should the man be forced to pay child support due to the choice of the woman?

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Thread: Should Woman's Choice Trump the Man's??

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    Re: Should Woman's Choice Trump the Man's??

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I'm pro-choice, but I don't agree that abortion should be a substitute for paternal responsibility.
    Nor do I, but the woman has that legal right and the man doesn't... and that is the problem.
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    Re: Should Woman's Choice Trump the Man's??

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Are you really suggesting that if a woman can't afford a child without the father's financial support, she should have an abortion or give her baby up for adoption?
    Those are options, of course. She can also opt to have the child and seek other avenues of support or just see if she can make it herself. But, those options are far more fair than creating sexist laws forcing a man to pay for her choice though...
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    Re: Should Woman's Choice Trump the Man's??

    Quote Originally Posted by RStringfield View Post
    Says who? How is it that the child is not effected by his parents neglect?



    It is not. The op argued that abortion gave some right to women that was not enjoyed by men. That is not true. Men enjoy the same right to control their own body. A man's control over his reproductive acts and his part in human reproduction ends when he plants his seed. A woman's clearly does not end at that point. You cant change a fact of biology via the law.



    Human beings have a long childhood and require a large amount of care in childhood. The state has some duty to ensure that their welfare is protected but the burden of care can only justly fall on the parents. Fathers should not be allowed to deny their responsibility to help care for the child.
    These are old and refuted talking points... read the thread.
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    Re: Should Woman's Choice Trump the Man's??

    Quote Originally Posted by RStringfield View Post
    This question starts from the wrong place.

    Child support is not about a battle of the sexes. It's not about seeing that justice is done to the mother or the father. It's about the child.

    Further, who pays child support is not determined by gender.

    Likewise, abortion is not a gender issue. All men that want to have an abortion and can find a doctor that is willing to perform the procedure should be free to "abort" too.

    Abortion affects women differently than men due to biological differences, not political ones.
    No, the question is about her choice, not child support. I called the thread child support to get people's attention.
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    Re: Should Woman's Choice Trump the Man's??

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    It is one responsible refused to take it (which actually happened in Germany a few years ago).
    I guess that you gave up since you finally realized your error... not an honest route, just ignoring... but I understand.
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    Re: Should Woman's Choice Trump the Man's??

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    These are old and refuted talking points... read the thread.
    No. I am not going to search the thread for where you think you refuted these points. You have not. If a parent abandons their child it will effect the child. There is no disputing that.

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    Re: Should Woman's Choice Trump the Man's??

    Quote Originally Posted by RStringfield View Post
    No. I am not going to search the thread for where you think you refuted these points. You have not. If a parent abandons their child it will effect the child. There is no disputing that.
    Everything effects everything... that is no argument. Sorry...
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    Re: Should Woman's Choice Trump the Man's??

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Nor do I, but the woman has that legal right and the man doesn't... and that is the problem.
    You are confusion biology with law.
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    Re: Should Woman's Choice Trump the Man's??

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I guess that you gave up since you finally realized your error... not an honest route, just ignoring... but I understand.
    At a certain point it's just a waste of time to continue trying to reason with idiots who just ignore any points. It's like wrestling with a pig: You both get dirty, and the pig enjoys it.
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    Re: Should Woman's Choice Trump the Man's??

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    If a woman chooses to keep her pregnancy and have a child against the man's wishes and she chooses to not use her legal option of birth control and have an abortion, should the man have to pay child suport for her choice.Should the man have to pay Child Support if he does not want the child and the woman decides to not opt to have an abortion as a means of contraception?I think that he should not be legally liable if he does not want the child. The woman has all the choice and can not only keep the baby and make him pay, but she can keep the baby, not tell him about the baby and then hit him up 18 years later for back Child Support.This thread is not about a woman's right to choose. That is legal and fine and all that. This thread is about a woman's choice subjegating a man to the role of a wallet for 18 years due to the whim of a woman's choice to keep a child against his wishes. Before we hear the whole, he shoulda kept it in his pants and now he has no choice in the matter. That is understood. That is the law. The issue is, is the law fair? As far as I am aware, there is no case law that deals with him being forced due to her choice. There is law about her having a choice, but none about why he should have to pay for her choice. That being said, this thread is not about the law, but about what is right. This is also not about exceptions: ie, she found out 5 months into her pregnancy due to irregular cycles, etc. This is about the woman that gets pregnant when the man wants to leave the marriage, or the woman that pricks the condom when having sex with a guy that she just met so that she gets pregnant and wants nothing to do with him or the times that a one-nighter turns into an 18 year nightmare simply because she wanted the child more and the state backs her decision out of sexism.Are women not responsible? Can she not be held liable for her own decisions?If she wants the baby, that is fine. She should have the baby and the man should be able to be out of the picture, should he so choose. If she doesn not want to raise the child on her own with no support, then she should abort. Easy as that. That is her right. That is the law. Hopefull I have explained all of this well enough. Yes, this is about abortion and threads like this exist in the Abortion Forum, but this is also a poll. I would like to know what people think outside the abortion debating crowd.Be nice please and just stick to the poll. If tangents occur please make a thread in the Abortion Forum as would be appropriate.Thanks...
    Bodhisattva, seriously... why do you keep asking this question over and over again?

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...-payments.html

    You posted it twice the same day. Did you forget to attach the poll or something?

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