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    Child Support Payments

    If a woman chooses to keep her pregnancy and have a child against the man's wishes and she chooses to not use her legal option of birth control and have an abortion, should the man have to pay child suport for her choice. Should the man have to pay Child Support if he does not want the child and the woman decides to not opt to have an abortion as a means of contraception?

    I think that he should not be legally liable if he does not want the child.

    The woman has all the choice and can not only keep the baby and make him pay, but she can keep the baby, not tell him about the baby and then hit him up 18 years later for back Child Support.This thread is not about a woman's right to choose. That is legal and fine and all that.

    This thread is about a woman's choice subjegating a man to the role of a wallet for 18 years due to the whim of a woman's choice to keep a child against his wishes. Before we hear the whole, he shoulda kept it in his pants and now he has no choice in the matter.

    That is understood. That is the law. The issue is, is the law fair?

    As far as I am aware, there is no case law that deals with him being forced due to her choice. There is law about her having a choice, but none about why he should have to pay for her choice. That being said, this thread is not about the law, but about what is right. This is also not about exceptions: ie, she found out 5 months into her pregnancy due to irregular cycles, etc.

    This is about the woman that gets pregnant when the man wants to leave the marriage, or the woman that pricks the condom when having sex with a guy that she just met so that she gets pregnant and wants nothing to do with him or the times that a one-nighter turns into an 18 year nightmare simply because she wanted the child more and the state backs her decision out of sexism.Are women not responsible?

    Can she not be held liable for her own decisions?If she wants the baby, that is fine. She should have the baby and the man should be able to be out of the picture, should he so choose. If she doesn not want to raise the child on her own with no support, then she should abort.

    Easy as that. That is her right. That is the law.

    Hopefull I have explained all of this well enough. Yes, this is about abortion and threads like this exist in the Abortion Forum, but this is also a poll. I would like to know what people think outside the abortion debating crowd.Be nice please and just stick to the poll.

    If tangents occur please make a thread in the Abortion Forum as would be appropriate.

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    Re: Child Support Payments

    No - he should not have to if he goes through the proper channels to annul his parental rights if she chooses to have the baby. This does not apply to couples in a union or marriage, naturally.

    I also feel that DNA tests should be required.
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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    If a woman chooses to keep her pregnancy and have a child against the man's wishes and she chooses to not use her legal option of birth control and have an abortion, should the man have to pay child suport for her choice.Should the man have to pay Child Support if he does not want the child and the woman decides to not opt to have an abortion as a means of contraception?I think that he should not be legally liable if he does not want the child. The woman has all the choice and can not only keep the baby and make him pay, but she can keep the baby, not tell him about the baby and then hit him up 18 years later for back Child Support.This thread is not about a woman's right to choose. That is legal and fine and all that. This thread is about a woman's choice subjegating a man to the role of a wallet for 18 years due to the whim of a woman's choice to keep a child against his wishes. Before we hear the whole, he shoulda kept it in his pants and now he has no choice in the matter. That is understood. That is the law. The issue is, is the law fair? As far as I am aware, there is no case law that deals with him being forced due to her choice. There is law about her having a choice, but none about why he should have to pay for her choice. That being said, this thread is not about the law, but about what is right. This is also not about exceptions: ie, she found out 5 months into her pregnancy due to irregular cycles, etc. This is about the woman that gets pregnant when the man wants to leave the marriage, or the woman that pricks the condom when having sex with a guy that she just met so that she gets pregnant and wants nothing to do with him or the times that a one-nighter turns into an 18 year nightmare simply because she wanted the child more and the state backs her decision out of sexism.Are women not responsible? Can she not be held liable for her own decisions?If she wants the baby, that is fine. She should have the baby and the man should be able to be out of the picture, should he so choose. If she doesn not want to raise the child on her own with no support, then she should abort. Easy as that. That is her right. That is the law. Hopefull I have explained all of this well enough. Yes, this is about abortion and threads like this exist in the Abortion Forum, but this is also a poll. I would like to know what people think outside the abortion debating crowd.Be nice please and just stick to the poll. If tangents occur please make a thread in the Abortion Forum as would be appropriate.Thanks...
    Yes the man should be required to pay child support

    If the women has the baby and wants to give it up for adoption, the man has the right to prevent it and take custody. In taking custody he can legally have the woman pay child support.
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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Pay up. I certainly shouldn't be the one who ends up reponsible for your actions.

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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Pay up. I certainly shouldn't be the one who ends up reponsible for your actions.
    This is the problem... the last two posts. Neither of you are addressing the fact that she has the option to abort if she does not want to raise the child on her own.

    The only issue is this: The child needs to be properly supported.

    Well, if the woman cannot properly supprt the child on her own, she should abort. Why is this not acceptable? It is birth control. Nobody is forcing her to abort. She would be making a responsible decision rather than forcing you to support her through higher taxes.

    Also, what is not being addressed are the men that are tricked into being fathers.

    Sex is not all about having children and the man is not irresponsible if birth control fails.
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    Re: Child Support Payments

    The looming specter here is the child. Its opportunities can't be limited because of either of its parents' dysfunctionality.
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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    The looming specter here is the child. Its opportunities can't be limited because of either of its parents' dysfunctionality.
    How is the man dysfunctional if he does not want a child since the mother has the legal right to abort? The mother would be dysfunctional, that is for sure. Also, dirt poor people have children all the time in America and nobody cares about the world of dysfunctionalti ythat the child is being born into there. Same with abusive or neglective parents. Opportunites are limited all over America.

    That argument doesn't fly and doesn't address her legal rigth to have an abortion.

    It is sooo frustrating to see three of five posters not even address the OP properly. WHY?!?!?! ARGH!
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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post

    It is sooo frustrating to see three of five posters not even address the OP properly. WHY?!?!?! ARGH!
    Need a midol?

    With the block of endless text that was your initial OP feel fortunate any of us even tried to read it.
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    Re: Child Support Payments

    The man's wishes became irrelevant when he decided to give a woman his sperm.

    When a man has the responsibility of carrying a fetus to full term, then we can talk about equal situations.

    Men and women were not designed equally in this regard. I'm sorry that it's hard for some to accept, but it's reality. This financial abortion business of trying to equalize something that is based in biology is preposterous.

    I would rather the system stay as it is and force deadbeat dads to pay, even if it means that a few well-intentioned men get caught in chaos. It's more important to me that a child grows up with financial support than letting men impregnate women and then get off the hook.

    And before someone tosses out that it's no different if a woman has an abortion when a man doesn't want her to get one, think again. Pregnancy can be a nightmare even if you want to have a kid - I can't imagine being forced into it against your will. Pregnancy entails medical risk; so does abortion. Either way, a woman is having to choose between risks and opportunity costs. She is the one having to deal with a pregnancy, not the man.

    This is a matter of biology and medicine vs. finances. Sorry, not the same game. Apples and oranges. When the man donated his sperm he lost all say.

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    Re: Child Support Payments

    If the woman is going to use the argument "my body, my choice" then the man should reply "your body, your responsibility".

    Personally, I disagree with it being solely her choice. I feel that if the father wants the child then she should be obligated to give birth.
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