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Child Support Payments

Temporal said:
YES it is eugenics, because who do you think will get accepted the most to have children? It will be the higher financial classes and people with more status and power. The poor and uneducated will have lesser access. Honestly, did you think this through or what? Who determines parental readiness? Who determines criteria? Are we trying to create a monoculture here? Does E Pluribus Unum mean nothing to you?

Any time that government is given control over reproduction, it becomes biased to people who are deemed "useful" to society. I would rather evolution play out and let people be born who are meant to be born - whether they are poor or rich. Our most important people have come from all backgrounds.
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Okay then - people will have to take a 2-year degree in parenting, but that degree is subsidized for all people by the government. Sounds fair to me.
 
samsmart said:
Okay then - people will have to take a 2-year degree in parenting, but that degree is subsidized for all people by the government. Sounds fair to me.
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hell just keep them in HS until they are 20 and make the curriculum for the last two years be parenting. hose the rich with a tax increase to pay for it. the liberals should love that.
 
OscarB63 said:
not all women get morning sickness, not all women gain 30+ pounds, should those women be denied abortions? hmmmm


and the day a man's urethra is the same diameter as a vagina, you can squeal about pissing out a bowling ball.


your post was complete and utter tripe.
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Make it a golf ball instead, the point is that if both parties are to face the repercussions from their actions regarding pregnancy and child support, both parties should see the same repercussions of the effects of pregnancy
 
OscarB63 said:
hell just keep them in HS until they are 20 and make the curriculum for the last two years be parenting. hose the rich with a tax increase to pay for it. the liberals should love that.
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And conservatives should like it because it will help promote family values.

Finally, something that both the left and right can find common ground on in this age of partisan political vitriol.
 
OscarB63 said:
and no one is forcing women to produce babies without their consent. :ssst:

damn that double standard, it just keeps popping up
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Except in cases of rape, that is correct. That is why both parents have a responsibility to provide for their offspring. There is no double standard. They both have responsibility.
 
Mathematician said:
...and unless she is dumber than a box of rocks, the mother knew this before she screwed!

A man who wants the kid, like I would, will likely help take care of the woman DURING her pregnancy. I remember my stepfather running to Hardees to get my mother a hot ham and cheese on demand when she was pregnant.
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It takes two to make a baby and both are responsible once the baby is made. I don't know what is so hard about that concept.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
Make it a golf ball instead, the point is that if both parties are to face the repercussions from their actions regarding pregnancy and child support, both parties should see the same repercussions of the effects of pregnancy
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you're missing the point. not even all women see the same repercussions of the effects of pregnancy. I have known many women who loved every minute of being pregnant.
 
Catawba said:
It takes two to make a baby and both are responsible once the baby is made. I don't know what is so hard about that concept.
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EXACTLY! So why in the hell do you want to give ONE the right to destroy the baby?!?
 
Catawba said:
It takes two to make a baby and both are responsible once the baby is made. I don't know what is so hard about that concept.
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as long as the woman still gets to kill it, should she so desire, before it comes out....right? ;)
 
Mathematician said:
EXACTLY! So why in the hell do you want to give ONE the right to destroy the baby?!?
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because it's not about the baby. it's about the power. that is the 600 pound gorilla in the room of abortion debate.
 
Catawba said:
If a man does not want a child, he uses a condom. That is when a responsible person makes their choice.
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I suggest you read the OP since this post is not on point at all... ;)
 
Catawba said:
Except in cases of rape, that is correct. That is why both parents have a responsibility to provide for their offspring. There is no double standard. They both have responsibility.
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except that she can abandon hers by having an abortion and he can't. funny how it keeps coming back to that.
 
OscarB63 said:
you're missing the point. not even all women see the same repercussions of the effects of pregnancy. I have known many women who loved every minute of being pregnant.
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Then I am sure som men will love the potential side effects of being pregnant as well
 
Temporal said:
All this is great but you haven't addressed the fate of the born child at all.
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It's very similar to abortion arguments then. You just "forget" about the kid.

Temporal said:
If the man doesn't have to take responsibility and the woman doesn't abort, what then?
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Prom night dumpster baby I suppose.

But under the hypothetical, it is the woman's choice to have the child, and thus her responsibility to raise it. She is still given her opportunity to divorce herself from responsibility and consequence and chooses an alternate route. The man can choose to support the child just as the woman can choose to have the child.

Temporal said:
Before child support laws, men did exactly that. The laws came into place precisely because of deadbeat dads. I'll say the statistic again... 84% of single parents are women, the rest are men. And guess what, child support laws work in reverse as well. There are single dads who have to go after deadbeat mothers for support to. The law is applied fairly.
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In the real world, there's a child and that's that. But this hypothetical is not the real world. If we wanted to draw a parallel it would be this. Woman gets pregnant, tells the dude, the dude says "screw this, I'm out"; the woman than makes a choice under the circumstance to keep the child or kill it if she cannot or does not want to support it.

Temporal said:
Now, are you going to address the core issue of child welfare, or are you going to keep fiddling with gender power dynamics? Please provide an outline for how children will be cared for if men can "financially abort".
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As I said before, the purpose of this hypothetical is one of philosophy and removed from the moral quandary present in the real world corollary.
 
Mathematician said:
EXACTLY! So why in the hell do you want to give ONE the right to destroy the baby?!?
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No one has a right to destroy a baby once it is born. Until that point it is biological function for the woman only. The man plays no part pregnancy other then initial fertilization. If he doesn't want a baby, there are contraceptive options, and of course he can also keep his zipper closed.
 
Bodhisattva said:
I suggest you read the OP since this post is not on point at all... ;)
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The OP is based on a false premise. No, one forced the man to impregnate a woman.
 
Originally Posted by Catawba If a man does not want a child, he uses a condom. That is when a responsible person makes their choice.
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OscarB63 said:
If a woman does not want a child, she takes the pill or insists he use a condom. That is when a responsible person makes their choice.
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Or she uses abortion as a means of birth control... and that is the whole point of this thread in the first place.
 
Catawba said:
The OP is based on a false premise. No, one forced the man to impregnate a woman.
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No it isn't. The point of the OP is that a woman can have an abortion as a means of birth control if she does not want to support a child on her own. It is really and truly simple.
 
Catawba said:
No one has a right to destroy a baby once it is born. Until that point it is biological function for the woman only. The man plays no part pregnancy other then initial fertilization. If he doesn't want a baby, there are contraceptive options, and of course he can also keep his zipper closed.
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Have you forgotten that I'm complaining about the case when the father wants the child?
 
OscarB63 said:
as long as the woman still gets to kill it, should she so desire, before it comes out....right? ;)
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When men carry the baby and deliver it, they they can have equal biological rights. Thoughtlessly shooting out some jizm hardly qualifies you for decisions on pregnancy and delivery that you do not have to endure.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
Then I am sure som men will love the potential side effects of being pregnant as well
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again missing the point. you keep bleating that everyone should see the same repercussions of pregnancy all the while ignoring the fact that all women don't even see the same repercussions.

so I ask again, should women who don't get morning sickness or gain a lot of weight be denied abortions? since they are getting those repercussions?
 
Bodhisattva said:
Or she uses abortion as a means of birth control... and that is the whole point of this thread in the first place.
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I can't help it if it is a dip**** thread. Its her body! When you start having babies then your opinion will matter on whether you decide to carry it to term or not.
 
Catawba said:
I can't help it if it is a dip**** thread. Its her body! When you start having babies then your opinion will matter on whether you decide to carry it to term or not.
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at least there you are somewhat honest. you couldn't give two squirrel farts about the child...as long as the woman gets to keep her precious choice.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
Then I am sure som men will love the potential side effects of being pregnant as well
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Here's an offer. Even though she gains weight gradually, I'll let you strap a damn 25lb weight to my back from the start. What else do you want in return for the kid?
 
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