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    Re: Child Support Payments

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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    Deciding to have the child IS taking responsibility for her choice, just like having an abortion would be. Either choice is "taking care of it". Child support laws are about CHILDREN. What part of that is not sinking in here?
    Your understanding of the OP is what is NOT sinking in here.

    Her "takinig responsibility" is in regards to her being responsible FOR HER DECISION.

    If she decides to have the child and the man has to pay, then she is not being responsible FOR HER DECISION.

    Having the child is responsible and to be commended. Forcing him to pay FOR HER DECISION to NOT USE BIRTH CONTROL is EXTREMELY IRRESPONSIBLE.

    And if the man can opt out? What then? The child has one less support factor and the mother is just as likely to apply for social welfare, in which case we ALL pay. I would rather the man pay for his act than me pay for his desire to disconnect.
    If the man can opt out... get ready for it, THE WOMAN CAN OPT FOR AN ABORTION. Making sense yet?

    Rule of thumb: don't have unprotected sex with a woman who is not a suitable candidate to have your child and/or you are not ready to have a child. It's just that simple.
    Only because of sexist laws the dictate that the woman has all the power and child support is not about the child. Get real.

    A woman can abort. Men have no such option. That's reality and it's not going to change.
    You so sure about that?

    If the child is born then the man must pay.
    IF

    IF the child is born. You are starting to get it now.

    It's in the best interest of society for him to do so, and the courts agree. Sorry that it's a hard pill for you to swallow.
    Two logical fallacies in one sentence. Well Done!

    Appeal to Popularity and Appeal to Authority. Not seen every day... thank you.
    Ahh... the old "it's in the best interest of society" logical fallacy.
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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    This again, Bodhi? This has become a recurring theme for you. Something you'd like to share with us?

    Anyway, I'll play. Again. But this is the last time!

    In my view, if an unmarried woman gets pregant, and she plans to carry the child to term, she is ethically bound to inform the father of her choice. If he does not want to be a part of that child's life, she should have him sign a legally-binding waiver of all parental rights and agreeing to stay out of the child's life, and she agrees not to put his name on the birth certificate or reveal that he is the child's parent. Once that is done, she has the option of either giving the child up for adoption ... the father now has no say in this... or raising the child herself... again, the father has no say in this.

    If she chooses to raise the child herself, she has the responsibility of supporting that child on her own. If she marries down the road, her husband may legally adopt the child. The biological father goes on about his life unfettered. The only way the biological father would ever see the inside of a courtroom and be forced to pay child support is if one of the two violates their legal agreement. Then all bets are off.

    Obviously, this was not done in whatever occurred to make you feel so adament and victimized, and I'm truly sorry. However, sexual intercourse comes with all kinds of potential price tags attached, as has been pointed out repeatedly in the Abortion forum, so when having sex with an individual one does not wish to have tied to the rest of one's life, it might be a better option to pass... or hire a pro. Just sayin'.
    I can't multi task or multi debate! It is my charm.

    No. This is nothing personal. I have this stick up my butt and I am running with it, and on three other forums as well.

    I was married and sine divorced, and we planned and had our two beautiful daughters. I don't regret a thing.

    As to the rest. Thank you and I agree.
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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    Yeah... like forcing the woman to abort OR carry the child, all according to the man's whim. News flash: women are persons now and men do not own them. Maybe you need to join the 21st century.
    I don't think that is what he is saying in the slightest.
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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    I didn't answer properly?

    In the man's case, I mean 'dysfunctionality' as in unwilling to reconcile himself to the reality that he has produced a child. If the woman had aborted, that would have let him off the hook, but if the child is a future event, the law must compel him to respond to it.

    That women abort or don't abort their pregnancies is a separate issue from whether parents have to support their children. Women have the freedom to abort their pregnancies for a reason, parents of both sexes are compelled to support the child for a different reason.
    Yeah... didn't answer properly according to the OP. The woman can abort or not, that is not the issue, so most of the last part is irrelevant. the law must not compel him to do anything. The law must compel that the child is supported. That need not be one or the other parent. It can be either or none. That is why it is legal to put kids up for adoption. Since adoption is an option, the state obviously must not compel him to do anything. He doesn't pay the new parents. She doesn't pay the new parents. There might only be one parent adopting. ALL THAT MATTERS IS THAT THE CHILD IS SUPPORTED.

    If the woman can't do that on her own, she should abort. THAT is the matter at hand here.
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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Child support isn't about the crotch bumping buddies who got stoned and made a kid.

    This isn't about laws.

    Come on folks! This is about helpless children who can't fend for themselves. Gezzzzzzzzzzzzz!
    Exactly. It is about supporting the kids and has nothing to do with forcing the man to help. If she can't support it on her own she simply uses birth control.
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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Yeah... didn't answer properly according to the OP. The woman can abort or not, that is not the issue, so most of the last part is irrelevant. the law must not compel him to do anything. The law must compel that the child is supported. That need not be one or the other parent. It can be either or none. That is why it is legal to put kids up for adoption. Since adoption is an option, the state obviously must not compel him to do anything. He doesn't pay the new parents. She doesn't pay the new parents. There might only be one parent adopting. ALL THAT MATTERS IS THAT THE CHILD IS SUPPORTED.

    If the woman can't do that on her own, she should abort. THAT is the matter at hand here.

    What you are ignoring is that once the child is born both parents have responsibilities and rights when it comes to the child.

    The child can not be given up for adoption without both parents agreeing, if one parent wants to keep the child and the other doesnt, the one that doesnt can be required to pay child support. It does not matter the gender of the parent
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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    It's a battle of gender rights, basically...
    Exactly. And the women get all the rights when it comes to this issue...

    and it typically comes down to men who are pissed off that women have more reproductive rights than they do.
    You couldn't be any more wrong if you tried. Amazing.

    It typically comes down to men not wanting to have to pay for the woman's decision. It was her decision, she should pay.

    But what they aren't understanding is that those rights are by virtue of biology and it can't be helped. The man has no control over the fate of the fetus - to do so would be controlling the woman's body and that right hasn't been his since before the Progressive Era.
    There are pro-life zealots that want to control her body, but that is about abortion. This is about child support and I am not sure that anybody is arguing controlling her, so this is yet another logical fallacy of yours.

    I agree... this is about children, first and foremost. Also... these proponents of financial abortion are typically silent when you ask WHO will pay to support the children. That really puts conservatives into a tizzy, doesn't it? Choosing between mens imaginary reproductive rights in this department, and social welfare
    There it is again... that Appeal to Popularity.
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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    What you are ignoring is that once the child is born both parents have responsibilities and rights when it comes to the child.

    The child can not be given up for adoption without both parents agreeing, if one parent wants to keep the child and the other doesnt, the one that doesnt can be required to pay child support. It does not matter the gender of the parent
    I am not ignoring that. That is not up for debate. That is a Straw Man. A separate debate. Once the child is born I agree, he is stuck... they both are and that is best. I am talking about within the first month or two of finding out she is pregnant. I think I also said that if she doesn't know for five months or whatver due to irregular cycles, he is stuck. This is all about the beginning.

    If I wasn't clear before, I hope this helps.

    If she doesn't tell him or give him a choice and hits him up after the child is born, it should ALL be on her unless he wants to help.
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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I am not ignoring that. That is not up for debate. That is a Straw Man. A separate debate. Once the child is born I agree, he is stuck... they both are and that is best. I am talking about within the first month or two of finding out she is pregnant. I think I also said that if she doesn't know for five months or whatver due to irregular cycles, he is stuck. This is all about the beginning.

    If I wasn't clear before, I hope this helps.

    If she doesn't tell him or give him a choice and hits him up after the child is born, it should ALL be on her unless he wants to help.
    Niether parent has the individual right to not support a child once it is born, both can agree to give it up for adoption
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