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    Re: Child Support Payments

    This again, Bodhi? This has become a recurring theme for you. Something you'd like to share with us?

    Anyway, I'll play. Again. But this is the last time!

    In my view, if an unmarried woman gets pregant, and she plans to carry the child to term, she is ethically bound to inform the father of her choice. If he does not want to be a part of that child's life, she should have him sign a legally-binding waiver of all parental rights and agreeing to stay out of the child's life, and she agrees not to put his name on the birth certificate or reveal that he is the child's parent. Once that is done, she has the option of either giving the child up for adoption ... the father now has no say in this... or raising the child herself... again, the father has no say in this.

    If she chooses to raise the child herself, she has the responsibility of supporting that child on her own. If she marries down the road, her husband may legally adopt the child. The biological father goes on about his life unfettered. The only way the biological father would ever see the inside of a courtroom and be forced to pay child support is if one of the two violates their legal agreement. Then all bets are off.

    Obviously, this was not done in whatever occurred to make you feel so adament and victimized, and I'm truly sorry. However, sexual intercourse comes with all kinds of potential price tags attached, as has been pointed out repeatedly in the Abortion forum, so when having sex with an individual one does not wish to have tied to the rest of one's life, it might be a better option to pass... or hire a pro. Just sayin'.

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    Re: Child Support Payments

    LOL @ "Hire a pro"
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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    As I responded in similar threads the law is without a doubt wrong and broken in this area. Anybody that denies that is just dishonest and or blind.
    Or I disagree with your assessment?

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    The law is bias, outdated discriminatory in this area.
    Nature is discriminatory in this regard. It can't be helped.

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    A man should have the option to not pay child support if he wants BUT it should just be at any whim which he chooses.
    And then who pays instead? The general public?

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    In the very beginning he should get the choice and all his parental rights are negated if he chooses not to pay.
    He had the choice when he gave up his sperm to impregnate a woman.

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    A women currently could trick the man into having a baby and make him pay, simply not tell him for years then come after him for support and back support or simply just abort against his will (btw this I would NEVER change, cant force a women to carry a baby but its the main reason why logical there needs to be other options)
    This is a common myth that rarely, if ever, happens. It's commonly cited by people who are against the child support system but it's completely baseless. Unless you have some evidence you can put forth to prove its commonality?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    Anyway like I said I dont know all the laws that would need written or fixed but this area of law is definitely broken and thats obvious to anybody objective.
    So... you don't know how the law should be worded instead but you'd happily strike down the current system. Well, I'm glad we are so solution oriented!

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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    To all of the folks and ninnies who missed post #20 - I invite you to feel free to read it.
    I read it, I agree and for the record it doesnt change my stance. The law is broken in this area and needs fixed.

    But theres some key words in your post ONCE THE CHILD IS BORN.
    I want steps put in place BEFORE the child is born.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    Except that a woman has a uterus and a man doesn't. The man gets to walk away from the choice to have sex but the woman does not. She has to deal with it - whether she decides to have the baby or have an abortion.

    I find it incredibly telling that on one hand, the pro-life want to stop women from "murdering babies", but since they can't, they'll turn around and try to argue for men's rights to financially coerce women into having abortions just so that men can have equal freedom to choose. That looks a lot more like punishing women than it does fighting for men's rights.

    In your vendetta against women's rights, you are overlooking what child support laws are about: children. It has nothing to do with women, but providing children who are born with the best chance at life. So while you're busy trying to equalize a woman's right to choose because you perceive that men are at a disadvantage, the law is more concerned about the welfare of children.

    Women have a right to choose because of biological determinism. It sucks for men but that's just the way it is. She can abort or have the baby. When men are capable of carrying children to term, then we can have this discussion. Until then, I care more about children being supported than I do men shirking their responsibilities.

    Men will never have equal abortion rights because men don't carry fetuses. Get a clue.
    Last I checked, if I get a woman pregnant then what grows inside of her contains MY DNA too. When she had sex with me, she knew damn well that pregnancy was a risk and she consented. I think if a woman aborts a kid when the man wanted to be a loving father then she deserves to go to hell.
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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    But theres some key words in your post ONCE THE CHILD IS BORN.
    I want steps put in place BEFORE the child is born.
    Yeah... like forcing the woman to abort OR carry the child, all according to the man's whim. News flash: women are persons now and men do not own them. Maybe you need to join the 21st century.

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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    How is the man dysfunctional if he does not want a child since the mother has the legal right to abort? The mother would be dysfunctional, that is for sure. Also, dirt poor people have children all the time in America and nobody cares about the world of dysfunctionalti ythat the child is being born into there. Same with abusive or neglective parents. Opportunites are limited all over America.

    That argument doesn't fly and doesn't address her legal rigth to have an abortion.

    It is sooo frustrating to see three of five posters not even address the OP properly. WHY?!?!?! ARGH!
    I didn't answer properly?

    In the man's case, I mean 'dysfunctionality' as in unwilling to reconcile himself to the reality that he has produced a child. If the woman had aborted, that would have let him off the hook, but if the child is a future event, the law must compel him to respond to it.

    That women abort or don't abort their pregnancies is a separate issue from whether parents have to support their children. Women have the freedom to abort their pregnancies for a reason, parents of both sexes are compelled to support the child for a different reason.
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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Child support isn't about the crotch bumping buddies who got stoned and made a kid.

    This isn't about laws.

    Come on folks! This is about helpless children who can't fend for themselves. Gezzzzzzzzzzzzz!

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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Child support isn't about the crotch bumping buddies who got stoned and made a kid.

    This isn't about laws.

    Come on folks! This is about helpless children who can't fend for themselves. Gezzzzzzzzzzzzz!
    It's a battle of gender rights, basically... and it typically comes down to men who are pissed off that women have more reproductive rights than they do. But what they aren't understanding is that those rights are by virtue of biology and it can't be helped. The man has no control over the fate of the fetus - to do so would be controlling the woman's body and that right hasn't been his since before the Progressive Era.

    I agree... this is about children, first and foremost. Also... these proponents of financial abortion are typically silent when you ask WHO will pay to support the children. That really puts conservatives into a tizzy, doesn't it? Choosing between mens imaginary reproductive rights in this department, and social welfare.

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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    Last I checked, if I get a woman pregnant then what grows inside of her contains MY DNA too. When she had sex with me, she knew damn well that pregnancy was a risk and she consented. I think if a woman aborts a kid when the man wanted to be a loving father then she deserves to go to hell.
    Cry me a river. Your DNA is now part of a child and that child needs support. Maybe you should have thought about that before you gave a woman your sperm.

    If women have more right to choose than men by virtue of their biology, then that means men need to be careful. Yet in most child support cases, we are dealing with deadbeat dads who thought they could sleep around and then slouch off their responsibilities onto the women they impregnate.

    I agree that there is a discrepancy in the system that favors women TOO much, but the discrimination is there because most of the cases involve deadbeat dads. Sorry to say. Ask any family court officer and they will tell you the same.

    The vast majority of single parents collecting welfare are WOMEN. The men have shirked their payments even after the courts ordered them to.

    Your outrage is unjustified.

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