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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    ... there should be a change to the laws so that the man should not incur financial liabilities...
    why?
    he was responsible for the child being brought into this world
    he should not be able to walk away from that
    for the child's sake ... as well as the taxpayers'
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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    why?
    he was responsible for the child being brought into this world
    he should not be able to walk away from that
    for the child's sake ... as well as the taxpayers'
    Her choice her responsiblity.
    This is all about her choice, not about a child.
    This is all about her choice, not the minor role a man played in an hour or two of sex.

    She will have no "choice" if he is not "FORCED" to pay for her "choice". That is the mindset that we have now. This mindset is based off of an error in logic. She is responsible for bringing the child into this world, not him. She can birth control and there will be no child or she can choose to carry the child to term. She wants all the power over her body and if she will abort or not, and that is fine By doing this she has just also volunteered all responsiblity. Can't have it both ways.

    Seriously. She wants the power of life and death over the developing human. All her choice. All her responsiblity. But the moment she decides to keep the child, and especially if it is against what he wants, then all of a sudden he has an equal responsiblity. The hypocrisy of this mind set is literally astounding. the more I debate this the more shocked I am that so many people can't see how simple it really is.

    For the child's sake, if she can't support the child she should use birth control and save everybody time and money.
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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Her choice her responsiblity.
    This is all about her choice, not about a child.
    This is all about her choice, not the minor role a man played in an hour or two of sex.

    She will have no "choice" if he is not "FORCED" to pay for her "choice". That is the mindset that we have now. This mindset is based off of an error in logic. She is responsible for bringing the child into this world, not him. She can birth control and there will be no child or she can choose to carry the child to term. She wants all the power over her body and if she will abort or not, and that is fine By doing this she has just also volunteered all responsiblity. Can't have it both ways.

    Seriously. She wants the power of life and death over the developing human. All her choice. All her responsiblity. But the moment she decides to keep the child, and especially if it is against what he wants, then all of a sudden he has an equal responsiblity. The hypocrisy of this mind set is literally astounding. the more I debate this the more shocked I am that so many people can't see how simple it really is.

    For the child's sake, if she can't support the child she should use birth control and save everybody time and money.
    Women just want to control their own bodies.
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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    he was responsible for the child being brought into this world
    Not according to what people are saying here. The choice to bring a child into the world is 100% the choice and decision of the woman; the man gets no input. He was partially responsible for the conception of the child; not the child being brought into the world. That decision and responsibility is 100% the mother's.
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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Quote Originally Posted by OKgrannie View Post
    Women just want to control their own bodies.
    And immunity from the consequences of biology.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    so you still can't prove that welfare is NOT subjective?
    Got, but I knew that about 100 posts ago. Let me know when you can
    I've proven an absolute nature to welfare. Wefare, necessitating concerns about well being, requires being. One has no being when dead, and thus cannot have well being.

    So you still can't prove that death is NOT absolute

    Got it, but I knew that about 100 posts ago. Let me know when you can
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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
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    Women just want to control their own bodies.
    And immunity from the consequences of biology.
    Thanks to medical technology, all of us have some immunity from the consequences of biology. Nowadays, we have immunizations for many diseases, treatment for others, and treatment for accidents as well. Why do you think pregnancy should be any different?
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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Quote Originally Posted by OKgrannie View Post
    Thanks to medical technology, all of us have some immunity from the consequences of biology. Nowadays, we have immunizations for many diseases, treatment for others, and treatment for accidents as well. Why do you think pregnancy should be any different?
    We sure do, medical science is quite impressive. Pregnancy is different from disease in that pregnancy is normal human reproduction. Surprised you didn't know that.
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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    We sure do, medical science is quite impressive. Pregnancy is different from disease in that pregnancy is normal human reproduction. Surprised you didn't know that.
    Disease is normal too. Dying from disease is also normal. Heart attacks are normal. Strokes are normal. Bleeding from cuts is normal. Medical science can improve on normal, as with birth control. Giving women the option of spacing their pregnancies farther apart and ending reproduction after several children has improved the health and longevity of women. And also resulted in healthier children. Giving women control of their bodies means giving them control of their lives, hurrah for medical science.
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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Quote Originally Posted by OKgrannie View Post
    Disease is normal too. Dying from disease is also normal. Heart attacks are normal. Strokes are normal. Bleeding from cuts is normal. Medical science can improve on normal, as with birth control. Giving women the option of spacing their pregnancies farther apart and ending reproduction after several children has improved the health and longevity of women. And also resulted in healthier children. Giving women control of their bodies means giving them control of their lives, hurrah for medical science.
    Quite a bit of improvement. Though pregnancy is still different than influenza or the mumps. Pregnancy is the creation of additional human life and the normal way by which our species reproduces. It's not disease, it's result of choice. We've come a long way in making pregnancies safer, but the way in which it is initiated has not changed. It's not just the woman's body at that point which requires consideration, but also the life of the human created through her choice.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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