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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    So well being no longer requires being? I don't know about that. To me it's like I'm saying red light falls between 620 and 750 nm. The photon with frequency 700 nm is red. To which you would then reply "red is just your interpretation of the color and thus your opinion".

    Death is a state of not being, if you have no being you can have no well being and thus no welfare. It's as if you're telling me you can be hungry when your dead and saying that it's merely my opinion that one must be alive to be hungry.
    sorry Ikari welfare is SUBJECTIVE and because of that your views on it will always be nothing more than opinion. Just the why it is. Some people view a good welfare as a roof, some heat and hopefully a meal a day, some view it has 6 properties, 10 cars, 3 boats and a plane.

    ALso your 1st example isnt even CLOSE to being accurate, red is NOT subjective, welfare is, its different to all. Your 2nd example doesnt even make sense.

    Twist it how ever you want theres no making your opinion on welfare a fact.
    What you view your welfare to be is nothing more than that your view and opinion
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    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    Incorrect... unless immaculate conception has happened, the man played a role. Maybe he should have kept it in his pants if he didn't want to be a father?



    Been there, done that. It was called the Victorian era. You know... the one where women weren't considered persons and couldn't vote? Yeah, that one.
    Why do you treat women like they are children and incapable of making a decision for herself? That is the way your statement comes across.

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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    sorry Ikari welfare is SUBJECTIVE and because of that your views on it will always be nothing more than opinion. Just the why it is. Some people view a good welfare as a roof, some heat and hopefully a meal a day, some view it has 6 properties, 10 cars, 3 boats and a plane.

    ALso your 1st example isnt even CLOSE to being accurate, red is NOT subjective, welfare is, its different to all. Your 2nd example doesnt even make sense.

    Twist it how ever you want theres no making your opinion on welfare a fact.
    What you view your welfare to be is nothing more than that your view and opinion
    There's lots of subjective analysis with color. Is it orange, is it yellow, is it yellow-orange? Color depends on one's eyes in absence of a meter. Welfare (or well being) also has subjective components to it. Is this better or worse welfare. But there are absolutes to both as well. The visible spectrum is known. Something maybe orange or yellow or yellow-orange; but it's still a color and that's an absolute statement. Welfare too has an absolute component, it only has meaning if you are alive. Welfare is meaningless to the dead as they no longer have a state of being. If you're going to argue that welfare can be had when dead, then the sky is green.
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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Here, I have a great idea that involves no discrimination against anyone:

    - If either parent becomes pregnant, whichever one of them is carrying the child can choose to abort or not. (No gender discrimination there...if you think that's unfair, blame biology for discriminating, not the state. In the eyes of the law it's perfectly acceptable for dudes to abort any fetuses that are growing inside them.)

    - If a baby is born (regardless of any decisions made during the pregnancy), both parents are held financially responsible for paying for it. This is because they are both responsible for creating it, and the child needs to be supported.

    How hard was that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    LOL @ "Hire a pro"
    If you pay her up front, does that mean you don't have to pay for the kid later?

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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    There's lots of subjective analysis with color. Is it orange, is it yellow, is it yellow-orange? Color depends on one's eyes in absence of a meter. Welfare (or well being) also has subjective components to it. Is this better or worse welfare. But there are absolutes to both as well. The visible spectrum is known. Something maybe orange or yellow or yellow-orange; but it's still a color and that's an absolute statement. Welfare too has an absolute component, it only has meaning if you are alive. Welfare is meaningless to the dead as they no longer have a state of being. If you're going to argue that welfare can be had when dead, then the sky is green.
    see now you are off track again, sometimes I wonder if this is an act, you are this dishonest or really dont understand some concepts

    if red is define by spectrum it is red or it isnt
    your opinoin on what your eyes tell you is meaningless

    sorry you are still wrong and a persons opinion maybe be that its better to be dead, you dont get to decide for them nor is life need in this matter. Life is not a needed component that again is your opinion.

    Its not my argument its a fact that one may view death as a better welfare and thats a fact LMAO
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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Red is Red, DEATH IS DEATH. There is nothing subjective about either one.


    Its not my argument its a fact that one may view death as a better welfare and thats a fact LMAO
    They can view it anyway they please. Death is not welfare.
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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Red is Red, DEATH IS DEATH. There is nothing subjective about either one.
    They can view it anyway they please. Death is not welfare.
    nothing more than your opinion
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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    nothing more than your opinion
    That's just your opinion.

    HAHAHAH, I can play the obstructionist, non-contributing role as well. Of course, it serves no purpose; but you seem to enjoy it so I thought I'd give it a shot. Regardless, you merely do not wish to acknowledge the absolutes in a system. Welfare is only meaningful while you are alive. Once you're dead, it's pointless. It is true that people sometimes feel that their life is so messed up, so unsalvagable that they are better off not even trying. But that's NOT a mindset which proliferates welfare, it's one which negates it and trivializes it. There is only hope while you live, when you're dead there is no hope of anything. You are dead. Thus for the constructs of promoting and proliferating welfare, it requires one to be alive; you cannot possess welfare when you are dead.

    Regardless, even if we say "well people commit suicide", that's not applicable for debate on the welfare of a child since the child isn't the one choosing to die. Rather it is other people weighing the current situations of their lives and choosing the convenient solution. If they choose, they wipe the child out of existence, it's not the same as suicide.
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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    That's just your opinion.

    HAHAHAH, I can play the obstructionist, non-contributing role as well. Of course, it serves no purpose; but you seem to enjoy it so I thought I'd give it a shot. Regardless, you merely do not wish to acknowledge the absolutes in a system. Welfare is only meaningful while you are alive. Once you're dead, it's pointless. It is true that people sometimes feel that their life is so messed up, so unsalvagable that they are better off not even trying. But that's NOT a mindset which proliferates welfare, it's one which negates it and trivializes it. There is only hope while you live, when you're dead there is no hope of anything. You are dead. Thus for the constructs of promoting and proliferating welfare, it requires one to be alive; you cannot possess welfare when you are dead.

    Regardless, even if we say "well people commit suicide", that's not applicable for debate on the welfare of a child since the child isn't the one choosing to die. Rather it is other people weighing the current situations of their lives and choosing the convenient solution. If they choose, they wipe the child out of existence, it's not the same as suicide.
    you are 100% right it IS my opinion thus proving welfare is SUBJECTIVE and what you think it is I and others may not.

    thanks, glad you finally get it!!

    Id acknowledge the absolute IF you gave me one RELATING to welfare, you did not, you gave me your opinion of what you thought one was but again, it was just your opinion. By definition there is no absolute and its subjective thats the reality you are denying LMAO

    Glad you decided to no longer fight the truth and reality.
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