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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Since you say so...
    More importantly, so do the courts.

    You are again missing the point. She can make any choice she wants to. She needs to be responsible for her choices.
    Which IMO she is doing when she takes you to court.

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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    I can make the same argument that if she didn't want to get pregnant then she shouldn't have had sex either. I'm all about waiting to screw until your willing to take the risk of pregnancy. This applies to both sides.
    Except that a woman has a uterus and a man doesn't. The man gets to walk away from the choice to have sex but the woman does not. She has to deal with it - whether she decides to have the baby or have an abortion.

    I find it incredibly telling that on one hand, the pro-life want to stop women from "murdering babies", but since they can't, they'll turn around and try to argue for men's rights to financially coerce women into having abortions just so that men can have equal freedom to choose. That looks a lot more like punishing women than it does fighting for men's rights.

    In your vendetta against women's rights, you are overlooking what child support laws are about: children. It has nothing to do with women, but providing children who are born with the best chance at life. So while you're busy trying to equalize a woman's right to choose because you perceive that men are at a disadvantage, the law is more concerned about the welfare of children.

    Women have a right to choose because of biological determinism. It sucks for men but that's just the way it is. She can abort or have the baby. When men are capable of carrying children to term, then we can have this discussion. Until then, I care more about children being supported than I do men shirking their responsibilities.

    Men will never have equal abortion rights because men don't carry fetuses. Get a clue.

    Quote Originally Posted by Boddhisatva
    Yeah? Why?

    Men are stronger than women and can physically force them to have sex against their wishes. This is a matter of biology. Yet, there are laws that make this illegal. When the woman was born, she lost all say as to when and where she would have sex.

    Yeah... right, apples and oranges.
    Uh, what?

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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    As long as the woman has the legal of abortion available then the man should have the legal choice in whether or not he wants to be financially responsible for the child, after all no one is forcing her to give birth. He should be able to sign a legal document all the way up until a 40-50% viability of the baby that excludes him from any responsibilities for the child. Now if abortion becomes illegal then the man should not be allowed to opt out financially seeing how she does not have abortion as a option.
    The man should just go and get an abortion should he become pregnant
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    Re: Child Support Payments

    To all of the folks and ninnies who missed post #20 - I invite you to feel free to read it.

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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    The forum did not include my paragraphs. I went back and edited it after only two responses. And I am not actually frustrated... ARGH! Just trying to get people to take more notice that they aren't responding to the actual point.
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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Since you say so...

    You are again missing the point. She can make any choice she wants to. She needs to be responsible for her choices.

    Sometimes yes... that is why I put the caveat into the OP.
    Deciding to have the child IS taking responsibility for her choice, just like having an abortion would be. Either choice is "taking care of it". Child support laws are about CHILDREN. What part of that is not sinking in here?

    And if the man can opt out? What then? The child has one less support factor and the mother is just as likely to apply for social welfare, in which case we ALL pay. I would rather the man pay for his act than me pay for his desire to disconnect.

    Rule of thumb: don't have unprotected sex with a woman who is not a suitable candidate to have your child and/or you are not ready to have a child. It's just that simple.

    A woman can abort. Men have no such option. That's reality and it's not going to change. If the child is born then the man must pay. It's in the best interest of society for him to do so, and the courts agree. Sorry that it's a hard pill for you to swallow.
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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    I find it incredibly telling that on one hand, the pro-life want to stop women from "murdering babies", but since they can't, they'll turn around and try to argue for men's rights to financially coerce women into having abortions just so that men can have equal freedom to choose. That looks a lot more like punishing women than it does fighting for men's rights.
    I'm pro-life and what has been my point? It doesn't seem to me that those argueing that the man should have an out are pro-life. I'm betting the overwhelming vast majority of pro-life people support forcing the man to pay up.

    Perhaps you might quit generalizing?

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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    To all of the folks and ninnies who missed post #20 - I invite you to feel free to read it.
    You were right and still are.

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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    I'm pro-life and what has been my point? It doesn't seem to me that those argueing that the man should have an out are pro-life. I'm betting the overwhelming vast majority of pro-life people support forcing the man to pay up.

    Perhaps you might quit generalizing?
    Apologies. I meant some pro-lifers. You are obviously not included in my statement! I will avoid generalizing next time

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    Re: Child Support Payments

    As I responded in similar threads the law is without a doubt wrong and broken in this area. Anybody that denies that is just dishonest and or blind.

    The law is bias, outdated discriminatory in this area.

    A man should have the option to not pay child support if he wants BUT it should just be at any whim which he chooses.

    In the very beginning he should get the choice and all his parental rights are negated if he chooses not to pay.

    Now of course the laws/rules/conditions would need worked out and much more in depth that this lol but IM sure you get the idea.

    A women currently could trick the man into having a baby and make him pay, simply not tell him for years then come after him for support and back support or simply just abort against his will (btw this I would NEVER change, cant force a women to carry a baby but its the main reason why logical there needs to be other options)

    Anyway like I said I dont know all the laws that would need written or fixed but this area of law is definitely broken and thats obvious to anybody objective.
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