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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    So abortion is wrong, right? Is that not getting out of potential consequences?
    i have no problem with the woman choosing to abort if that is her personal decision
    just as i have no problem with the guy getting clipped so that he only shoots blanks

    and if they fail to take adequate precautions to avoid a child coming into this world, then care for that child becomes their responsibility
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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    No, they are not both responsible. The woman can kill the child and remove responsibility; the man has no such option.
    If the woman "removes responsibility" in the way you described, then there is no child that needs to be supported. If the man "removes responsibility" by disowning his child, then there is still a child that needs to be supported.
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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    i have no problem with the woman choosing to abort if that is her personal decision
    just as i have no problem with the guy getting clipped so that he only shoots blanks
    So for the one you support choice but the other support them getting fixed? Wow, that speaks volumes.

    and if they fail to take adequate precautions to avoid a child coming into this world, then care for that child becomes their responsibility
    So again the woman can decide to not care but the man is dragged for the ride. Seems fair..

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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Quote Originally Posted by dixiesolutions View Post
    Well Said.....+1
    I also agree and changing child support laws wont have an impact on the current reality.
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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    If the woman "removes responsibility" in the way you described, then there is no child that needs to be supported. If the man "removes responsibility" by disowning his child, then there is still a child that needs to be supported.
    Well at least in that case the kid is just poor instead of dead.
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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Also to be clear on my stance:

    Im am 100% FOR making the laws more fair and removing the discrimination.

    Im also still 100% for pro-choice this is NOT an argument against abortion in any way what so ever for me.
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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    No, they are not both responsible. The woman can kill the child and remove responsibility; the man has no such option.
    As the old saying goes, "Ignorance of the law is no excuse for breaking it."

    There is a calculated risk by both men and women that if they have sex, protected or not, there is always the possibility of a pregnancy.

    Here's the deal....like it or not. It is what it is. The law is what it is. We are a nation of laws. IF YOU DON'T LIKE like the biases or injustices created in laws related to abortion or men's lack of rights pertaining to women having a choice to abort or keep the child...and if women choose keep it...they have the right to go after the guy would help created it despite him not wanting the child...then seek to change the laws. Organize, protest, write to your law makers, place ads, do blogs, etc. etc.

    I didn't make the laws. I don't have any say over the enforcement of laws pertaining to this topic. I'm merely pointing out what they are...and the consequences of not understanding them or abiding by these laws...Unfair as they may be...they are what they are. Having said this, MEN SHOULD CLEARLY UNDERSTAND THE FOLLOWING:

    1) LIFE AIN'T FAIR...Since the law is what it is FAIR OR NOT...men who ignore the realities of the possible consequence of impregnating a women...gets what they deserve.

    1) Men clearly know prior to having sex that women have to right to abort or "MURDER AS YOU CONTEND" their baby with or without their permission.

    2) Men clearly know that in today's world, in the United States of America, that many men see divorce and child custody laws biased, unfair and unjust. They may be forced to disproportionately have to provide support that isn't fair to them.

    3) Men clearly know that if a baby is conceived out of wedlock that a woman who chooses keep a baby...with or without their permission...they will be liable in the eyes of the law and in court of law , which will require them to provide support to the limit of the law.

    FOLKS...like it or not...IT IS WHAT IT IS! The only way to change any of the above is change the current laws. PERIOD! In other words, THERE IS NO ANSWER EXCEPT TO USE ONE'S HEAD to think about the consequences of having sex. If you don't like them. Don't have sex.
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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Well at least in that case the kid is just poor instead of dead.
    Wait...you're anti-abortion? If that's the case I cannot fathom why you would support something like this. What do you think would be the result, if more women were faced with the prospect of having to raise and financially support their kid alone if they don't have an abortion?
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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    As the old saying goes, "Ignorance of the law is no excuse for breaking it."

    There is a calculated risk by both men and women that if they have sex, protected or not, there is always the possibility of a pregnancy.

    Here's the deal....like it or not. It is what it is. The law is what it is. We are a nation of laws. IF YOU DON'T LIKE like the biases or injustices created in laws related to abortion or men's lack of rights pertaining to women having a choice to abort or keep the child...and if women choose keep it...they have the right to go after the guy would help created it despite him not wanting the child...then seek to change the laws. Organize, protest, write to your law makers, place ads, do blogs, etc. etc.

    I didn't make the laws. I don't have any say over the enforcement of laws pertaining to this topic. I'm merely pointing out what they are...and the consequences of not understanding them or abiding by these laws...Unfair as they may be...they are what they are. Having said this, MEN SHOULD CLEARLY UNDERSTAND THE FOLLOWING:

    1) LIFE AIN'T FAIR...Since the law is what it is FAIR OR NOT...men who ignore the realities of the possible consequence of impregnating a women...gets what they deserve.

    1) Men clearly know prior to having sex that women have to right to abort or "MURDER AS YOU CONTEND" their baby with or without their permission.

    2) Men clearly know that in today's world, in the United States of America, that many men see divorce and child custody laws biased, unfair and unjust. They may be forced to disproportionately have to provide support that isn't fair to them.

    3) Men clearly know that if a baby is conceived out of wedlock that a woman who chooses keep a baby...with or without their permission...they will be liable in the eyes of the law and in court of law , which will require them to provide support to the limit of the law.

    FOLKS...like it or not...IT IS WHAT IT IS! The only way to change any of the above is change the current laws. PERIOD! In other words, THERE IS NO ANSWER EXCEPT TO USE ONE'S HEAD to think about the consequences of having sex. If you don't like them. Don't have sex.
    All these arguments work the other way too. Life ain't fair. Women clearly know prior to having sex that pregnancy can result, blah blah blah. All the arguments you use can be used in reverse as well; you've just made assumptions and definitions earlier on to support your argument is all.

    As I stated much earlier in the thread, these topics are purely philosophical as no real law would ever be passed that would allow fathers to get away without paying for the kid. Thus we are free to explore the topic void of the usual moral quandary which typically accompanies the topic.
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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Wait...you're anti-abortion? If that's the case I cannot fathom why you would support something like this. What do you think would be the result, if more women were faced with the prospect of having to raise and financially support their kid alone if they don't have an abortion?
    I'm merely using the logic of your side's arguments with a different starting set of assumptions.
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