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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Many women have been impregnated without a male present. All men need to do is put some jizm in a cup. Not a huge responsibility by any stretch of the imagination.
    Did I dispute that? Please show me where I said it wasn't possible. What I said (just read please) was that I have yet to meet a woman who can will her eggs infertile

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    I don't subscribe to the notion that aborting a fetus is murder, just as I don't subscribe to the notion that having sex with contraception is murder. I am more concerned with 21% of the children living in this country that are already not being properly cared for.
    Did I say murder? No, I said your opinion is essentially "Better dead than poor". Because you think it's best for that kid to just not exist in the first place than it is to be born into that 21%.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    No one is suggesting she doesn't, but ultimately it is her body and her decision. You have no right to determine what decisions she makes with her body.
    Shooting out your jizm gives you no rights.
    Her body, her decision. It's all on her to keep the baby or kill it. So she should have the right to force the man to pay for HER decision. That was her choice at that point. Keep or destroy, all hers. At that point the man is out, he just contributed jizm, right? So why do you suggest he be held responsible for HER decision?
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    what does this have to do with child support payments?
    It's just pointing out the double standard.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Child Support Payments

    If i now correctly understand Bod's intended premise of his OP, it isn't funamentally about child support payments per se, but rather inequalities in men's choices based primarily around a woman's right to, at her discretion, have an abortion OR use a "surprise pregnancy" to unfairly manipulate the "system" to her advantage, which can usurp men's choices and unjustly force a long- term financial involvement in the form of child support.

    And I truly hope that I've got it. If my "newest" perception of the topic is on track THEN:

    This scenario has been an ongoing complaint by men for many, many decades. I would bet that very few men have not been exposed to media reports, articiles, and even televised episodes about the topic that discuss on delineate the various claims of inequalities. There are "Father's Rights Groups organized across the country.

    That said...the above would be virtually impossible for men NOT TO KNOW PRIOR to having sex...that if an "untentional" pregnancy occurs", there will be a real possibility that he will be required by law to participate in the support of the child if the woman "chooses" to have the child.

    MY BET IS IF ABORTION WAS ILLEGAL - MANY men who claim to be PRO-LIFE, and didn't want the soon to be unintended child, they would searching desperately for ways to circumvent or abandon responsiblity for paying support for the child that they co-created.

    if abortion was illegal, the birth of 1 million additional kids born each year, they would become victims of tens of thousands of pro-life men who would STILL be decrying social and legal inequities and fight to avoid being financially responsible, which would substantially jeopodize the long-term welfare of all of those "Unintentional or Unwantred" children.

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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    If i now correctly understand Bod's intended premise of his OP, it isn't funamentally about child support payments per se, but rather inequalities in men's choices based primarily around a woman's right to, at her discretion, have an abortion OR use a "surprise pregnancy" to unfairly manipulate the "system" to her advantage, which can usurp men's choices and unjustly force a long- term financial involvement in the form of child support.

    And I truly hope that I've got it. If my "newest" perception of the topic is on track THEN:

    This scenario has been an ongoing complaint by men for many, many decades. I would bet that very few men have not been exposed to media reports, articiles, and even televised episodes about the topic that discuss on delineate the various claims of inequalities. There are "Father's Rights Groups organized across the country.

    That said...the above would be virtually impossible for men NOT TO KNOW PRIOR to having sex...that if an "untentional" pregnancy occurs", there will be a real possibility that he will be required by law to participate in the support of the child if the woman "chooses" to have the child.

    MY BET IS IF ABORTION WAS ILLEGAL - MANY men who claim to be PRO-LIFE, and didn't want the soon to be unintended child, they would searching desperately for ways to circumvent or abandon responsiblity for paying support for the child that they co-created.

    if abortion was illegal, the birth of 1 million additional kids born each year, they would become victims of tens of thousands of pro-life men who would STILL be decrying social and legal inequities and fight to avoid being financially responsible, which would substantially jeopodize the long-term welfare of all of those "Unintentional or Unwantred" children.
    so basically you still have no answer to the OP, admitted it is unfair, offered a "help group" and then still made your post about a different topic? got it
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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    If i now correctly understand Bod's intended premise of his OP, it isn't funamentally about child support payments per se, but rather inequalities in men's choices based primarily around a woman's right to, at her discretion, have an abortion OR use a "surprise pregnancy" to unfairly manipulate the "system" to her advantage, which can usurp men's choices and unjustly force a long- term financial involvement in the form of child support.

    And I truly hope that I've got it. If my "newest" perception of the topic is on track THEN:

    This scenario has been an ongoing complaint by men for many, many decades. I would bet that very few men have not been exposed to media reports, articiles, and even televised episodes about the topic that discuss on delineate the various claims of inequalities. There are "Father's Rights Groups organized across the country.

    That said...the above would be virtually impossible for men NOT TO KNOW PRIOR to having sex...that if an "untentional" pregnancy occurs", there will be a real possibility that he will be required by law to participate in the support of the child if the woman "chooses" to have the child.

    MY BET IS IF ABORTION WAS ILLEGAL - MANY men who claim to be PRO-LIFE, and didn't want the soon to be unintended child, they would searching desperately for ways to circumvent or abandon responsiblity for paying support for the child that they co-created.

    if abortion was illegal, the birth of 1 million additional kids born each year, they would become victims of tens of thousands of pro-life men who would STILL be decrying social and legal inequities and fight to avoid being financially responsible, which would substantially jeopodize the long-term welfare of all of those "Unintentional or Unwantred" children.
    So your response is just a smear run against the other side?

    Men AND woman know PRIOR to having sex that they can get pregnant. Being pregnant is a probability when engaging in sex, it's how our species reproduces. But you allow women to escape consequence while forcing the man to face the slings and arrows of the woman's whims. Not necessarily fair.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    So your response is just a smear run against the other side?

    Men AND woman know PRIOR to having sex that they can get pregnant. Being pregnant is a probability when engaging in sex, it's how our species reproduces. But you allow women to escape consequence while forcing the man to face the slings and arrows of the woman's whims. Not necessarily fair.
    if the man were ignorant of the potential for incurring a financial liability
    then your argument would have merit
    but since the guy plants his seed with full knowledge of the potential consequences
    your argument has no legitimacy
    both parents know the potential consequences and both are responsible for any result of their sexual activity
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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    if the man were ignorant of the potential for incurring a financial liability
    then your argument would have merit
    but since the guy plants his seed with full knowledge of the potential consequences
    your argument has no legitimacy
    both parents know the potential consequences and both are responsible for any result of their sexual activity
    No, they are not both responsible. The woman can kill the child and remove responsibility; the man has no such option.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    if the man were ignorant of the potential for incurring a financial liability
    then your argument would have merit
    but since the guy plants his seed with full knowledge of the potential consequences
    your argument has no legitimacy
    both parents know the potential consequences and both are responsible for any result of their sexual activity
    So abortion is wrong, right? Is that not getting out of potential consequences?

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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    The looming specter here is the child. Its opportunities can't be limited because of either of its parents' dysfunctionality.
    Well Said.....+1

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