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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    and therefore up to her if your jism becomes a baby.
    Nope, it's up to biology and timing.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    That doesn't solve the problem if I want the kid to have my good looks and brains.
    There's always surgery and necromancy.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    The law as it stands gives the woman the right to decide to have the child or not...Whether she decides to keep the child or have an abortion its still the mans child...he still fathered the child...If he didnt want the child he had the option of making sure he didnt get her pregnant....PAY DUDE , I dont want to pay for you to make piggynasty.
    This argument is true of women as well. If they didn't want to have a child, she had the option of making sure she didn't get pregnant. The woman isn't just some idle participant, she made choices too.
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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    This situation is way past people being irresponsible and making a baby. Or about who should have done what. Or somebody is being mistreated or unfairly made to be responsible for making a baby that is born.
    Irrelevant and off topic...
    If a child is outside the womb...then and only then can "Child Support Payments" become an issue. Children are 100% dependent. Doesn't make a damn who mom and dad are. It doesn't make a damn what they believe about their role in that kids future is...or isn't.If somebody wants be a loser parent? Be one. But if I had my way. I would hunt them down like rabid dogs and they would be responsible for the well being of that child.There is a severe problem with people who condemn others for abortion who are willing to see a child born...and once it's born gripe about who the hell is responsible for it...and who has to provide support.Kids become invisible to people who can't take responsibility for their actions.
    Start a new thread that deals with, "once kids are
    Why don't we get drunk and screw baby. WHAT? You're pregnant? Get lost bitch - it ain't my problem! Oh Yeah? In my court it is - bitch. Deadbeat dads would quickly become Bubba's girlfriend in jail.
    What a bunch of emotional garbage... she can have an abortion. That is whole point of the thread.
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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Nope, it's up to biology and timing.
    Its up to her biology which includes her mind (decision). Your only contribution is some jizm, which is not depleted. Within a few hours, you are ready again and are free to have as many children as you want, as long as you are willing to be responsible for them.

    As has been pointed out, we already have 21% of the children in this country not being properly cared for. Why would we want to add to that number?
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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Its up to her biology which includes her mind (decision).
    I have yet to meet a woman who can will her eggs infertile.

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    As has been pointed out, we already have 21% of the children in this country not being properly cared for. Why would we want to add to that number?
    Better dead than poor. I don't subscribe to that.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    Okay, I can compromise. I agree that it's not fair. People should have the ability to opt out of parenthood if they aren't ready. It's why I am pro-choice. Ultimately I must concede that pro-choice must also protect the father as well. I mean, what about his choice? I'm not sure that even financial support can be considered parenthood though. A single mom could just as easily saddle up with another man who can be cooperative in helping her to care for her child, all the while the biological dad is paying support. In thinking of it this way, we can start discussing what it means to be a father. Is it merely financial support? I don't think so. Perhaps letting biological fathers choose if they want to be parents can offset the deadbeat dad phenomenon. Instead of a child always relating to their dad as someone who is never there for them, we can cut the unwilling party loose and then let a better situation take hold.

    Unfortunately it seems like the majority of single mothers stay single. There are a lot of men out there who would get together with a single mom and help her to raise a kid that's not even his, but I'm skeptical that these kinds of men are greater in number than those would want nothing to do with the baggage of a kid that isn't theirs - or hell, a kid that IS theirs.

    I do understand your use of logic... but I can't help but tie it back to reality. I'm not trying to swindle logic here in order to be right. I just don't see how, reproductively and biologically speaking, men and women are equal. Women cannot easily back away from parenthood because the child is attached to them from the get go. Yes, they can have the kid and give it up for adoption... but that is still her situation to deal with. The man can be in Timbuctu by then for all we know.

    Even philosophically, I don't agree that a woman's right to choose looks the same as it does for a man. Men have never had to fight for personhood rights, or the right to control their bodies. Women from day one have not been equal and, until recently in history, have been the property of men. All worthwhile research points to the fact that the status of women and children affects the status of entire civilizations. It's the whole reason behind the UN mandate on bettering women and children. It's not a sexist or discriminatory policy. The fact is that we live in a patriarchy and women are easily trampled upon - maybe less so in America, but look around the world and you will see that we are the exception rather than the rule.

    Female reproduction is intimately tied to the health of civilizations. They have the right to choose because they have the biological imperative. Men can sleep around if they want and until the advent of genetic testing, they could get away with it. I see child support laws as compensating for centuries of paternal neglect. A woman can't just toss her child - she will be charged with abandonment, neglect, or even attempted murder. But men have done just that for centuries and now that family courts are trying to prevent it, men are getting pissed at having their parental responsibilities thrown back in their faces. In reality, they are being shown the world that women have always had to live.

    (Again, I know there are deadbeat moms out there, but I already demonstrated with statistics that it's not the norm.)
    The single mothers who stay single usually do so by choice. Heck, my mother was one of them. There are enough men who are willing to be with lady who already has kids. Because my father wasn't responsible is a big reason I'm passionate about a man having rights to the unborn child.

    Based on my experience, I like to differentiate mother/father from mom/dad by the former being your biological parents and the latter being who takes responsibility for you. Ideally speaking, someone should be both or neither. However, I would say I had a father but not a dad.

    Since I'm a mathematician, you can understand why I obviously say that two things are either equal or they are not. Socially, you either ignore gender and consider equal rights for every individual or you don't. If you are going to apply gender differences then you must do it in every case, not just when it's convenient for your gender. The physical strength of men is one reason why men were the more dominant gender in many civilizations. Also, you don't hold history against anyone. Just like blacks shouldn't expect me to owe them for slavery since I had nothing to do with it, you shouldn't hold the history of how women were treated against the men of today.

    I'll say one more time, since we have genetic testing, I'm in favor of both parents having the right to deny abortion and holding both parents financially responsible. Understand that I don't envision many men insisting on the child birth unless they want to be a responsible single father.
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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Did you run out then???
    Quality over quantity, son.
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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    Quality over quantity, son.
    What? ****, I had that backwards.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    What? ****, I had that backwards.
    That's why females are naturally attracted to the alpha males. They want that quality seed
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