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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    You just don't seem to understand the point of the thread. Pass if off as anything you like though...
    I understand the purpose of the thread alright, to propagate the sexist view that it is the man's right to tell a woman what to do with her body.
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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Then I suggest you choose a woman who wants the same thing, unless you have figured out how to make your own baby!
    And vice-versa, right? I mean the woman should make sure that the man she sleeps with won't abdicate responsibility and take off should she get pregnant and make the choice to keep it.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    If a woman makes a choice to have an abortion during pregnancy, there is no child. We have 21% of the children living in poverty in this country that conservatives don't feel are their responsibility, so don't lecture me on not caring about children.
    So better dead than poor?
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I understand the purpose of the thread alright, to propagate the sexist view that it is the man's right to tell a woman what to do with her body.
    And further more...feel free to read post #180. If this thread named "Child Support Payments" isn't about that. Then maybe it's about not being responsible people having sex who doesn't want to be responsible for the consequences of having sex that leads to pregnancy.

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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    So better dead than poor?
    I think you're living in ideology land more than reality. Children have to be cared for and the system is setup to do this in the best way possible. Statistics prove that most single parents are women; statistics also prove that men tend to take off disproportionately more than women. Women are stuck with the consequences of their choices with pregnancy: that is what they have to live with. Men have to pay up, it's in the best interest of children, and that is the bottom line no matter what way you slice it.

    Nature designed men and women differently. It sucks but that's reality. Better that men be forced to pay than children ending up on welfare, or worse, the streets. Men can't abort financially in today's world because someone else will have to foot the bill.

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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    And vice-versa, right? I mean the woman should make sure that the man she sleeps with won't abdicate responsibility and take off should she get pregnant and make the choice to keep it.
    Correct, now here's the subtle clincher which you aren't getting. Of the two, the woman has to bear the pregnancy and the child, which is why the law more often than not defaults against the man. It's not fair, but it's a natural consequence.

    The woman can't take off. The man can. Hence child support laws.

    Is this becoming more clear yet?

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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    And vice-versa, right? I mean the woman should make sure that the man she sleeps with won't abdicate responsibility and take off should she get pregnant and make the choice to keep it.
    Yes, ideally. But since a man has no function regarding pregnancy or delivery he does not get to call the shots for the woman. If a woman decides not to have a baby, he is out one load of jizm, that's it, and there is plenty more where that came from.
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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    Correct, now here's the subtle clincher which you aren't getting. Of the two, the woman has to bear the pregnancy and the child, which is why the law more often than not defaults against the man. It's not fair, but it's a natural consequence.

    The woman can't take off. The man can. Hence child support laws.

    Is this becoming more clear yet?
    I don't think your getting it through your thick skull that this is a double standard. If she doesn't want the financial responsibility of the child then, the way things are set now, she can have an abortion. We can either meet half way or argue all day. Either split the call on abortions or take the rights to choice along with responsibility.
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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    So better dead than poor?
    I place higher value on children already born than I do a single load of jizm, if that is what you mean.
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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    And vice-versa, right? I mean the woman should make sure that the man she sleeps with won't abdicate responsibility and take off should she get pregnant and make the choice to keep it.
    You can never be that sure of another person.
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