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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    If a man does not want a child, he uses a condom. That is when a responsible person makes their choice.
    I suggest you read the OP since this post is not on point at all...
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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Except in cases of rape, that is correct. That is why both parents have a responsibility to provide for their offspring. There is no double standard. They both have responsibility.
    except that she can abandon hers by having an abortion and he can't. funny how it keeps coming back to that.
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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    you're missing the point. not even all women see the same repercussions of the effects of pregnancy. I have known many women who loved every minute of being pregnant.
    Then I am sure som men will love the potential side effects of being pregnant as well
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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    All this is great but you haven't addressed the fate of the born child at all.
    It's very similar to abortion arguments then. You just "forget" about the kid.

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    If the man doesn't have to take responsibility and the woman doesn't abort, what then?
    Prom night dumpster baby I suppose.

    But under the hypothetical, it is the woman's choice to have the child, and thus her responsibility to raise it. She is still given her opportunity to divorce herself from responsibility and consequence and chooses an alternate route. The man can choose to support the child just as the woman can choose to have the child.

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    Before child support laws, men did exactly that. The laws came into place precisely because of deadbeat dads. I'll say the statistic again... 84% of single parents are women, the rest are men. And guess what, child support laws work in reverse as well. There are single dads who have to go after deadbeat mothers for support to. The law is applied fairly.
    In the real world, there's a child and that's that. But this hypothetical is not the real world. If we wanted to draw a parallel it would be this. Woman gets pregnant, tells the dude, the dude says "screw this, I'm out"; the woman than makes a choice under the circumstance to keep the child or kill it if she cannot or does not want to support it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    Now, are you going to address the core issue of child welfare, or are you going to keep fiddling with gender power dynamics? Please provide an outline for how children will be cared for if men can "financially abort".
    As I said before, the purpose of this hypothetical is one of philosophy and removed from the moral quandary present in the real world corollary.
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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    EXACTLY! So why in the hell do you want to give ONE the right to destroy the baby?!?
    No one has a right to destroy a baby once it is born. Until that point it is biological function for the woman only. The man plays no part pregnancy other then initial fertilization. If he doesn't want a baby, there are contraceptive options, and of course he can also keep his zipper closed.
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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I suggest you read the OP since this post is not on point at all...
    The OP is based on a false premise. No, one forced the man to impregnate a woman.
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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Originally Posted by Catawba If a man does not want a child, he uses a condom. That is when a responsible person makes their choice.
    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    If a woman does not want a child, she takes the pill or insists he use a condom. That is when a responsible person makes their choice.
    Or she uses abortion as a means of birth control... and that is the whole point of this thread in the first place.
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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The OP is based on a false premise. No, one forced the man to impregnate a woman.
    No it isn't. The point of the OP is that a woman can have an abortion as a means of birth control if she does not want to support a child on her own. It is really and truly simple.
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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    No one has a right to destroy a baby once it is born. Until that point it is biological function for the woman only. The man plays no part pregnancy other then initial fertilization. If he doesn't want a baby, there are contraceptive options, and of course he can also keep his zipper closed.
    Have you forgotten that I'm complaining about the case when the father wants the child?
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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    as long as the woman still gets to kill it, should she so desire, before it comes out....right?

    When men carry the baby and deliver it, they they can have equal biological rights. Thoughtlessly shooting out some jizm hardly qualifies you for decisions on pregnancy and delivery that you do not have to endure.
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