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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Personally, I want birth control, abortion procedures, and child support for every child to be nationalized. That way all men and all women have to pay for all abortions and all children. Everybody has responsibility on both ends of the issue that way.

    forced temporary infertility for everyone until the age of 21. you need a license to drive a car for pity's sake, why not one to produce a child? make the standards incredibly low...say, I don't know, maybe having a job?
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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    And she can deal with the child then, right?

    BTW, no woman is ever "forced into" pregnancy against her will barring instances of rape.
    You and others are missing the point, continuously. I have repeated myself several times in this thread, and in past threads about this.

    BOTH people "should have" been responsible. The man should have kept it in his pants and the woman should have kept her legs closed. Ok? I admit that.

    The issue here is that one gender bears more of the responsibility than the other, and that is the woman, because she has to carry the fetus. It is she who has to decide if she wants an abortion or she wants to have it because all the risk: financially, physically, emotionally, medically, socially, is ultimately her's. The man's situation is far more flexible.

    If the woman decides to have the baby, then that baby requires support. Who else do we turn to if the man gets to run away? The State, and that means public dollars. If the woman has to bear the burden of raising the baby, then the man must also contribute. This is about CHILD WELFARE and nothing else.

    People are removing the child aspect from their minds and only thinking about what is fair to the man. This is not about what is fair to the man OR woman, but the born child that needs support.

    Is this sinking in yet? I hope so, because I am tired of repeating myself to the deaf.

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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    forced temporary infertility for everyone until the age of 21. you need a license to drive a car for pity's sake, why not one to produce a child? make the standards incredibly low...say, I don't know, maybe having a job?
    We already tried giving the government control over reproduction... it was the Eugenics era. It was a miserable failure and a social disaster.

    The government has no place controlling people's reproductive systems, and even if they could, I cannot think of any method that can be safely employed to stop people from reproducing that has no side effects. Even the birth control pill if used long-term can really mess up your hormone system and permanently affect your reproductive abilities.

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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    I would be pro choice if men were allowed the option to refuse to pay child support. you seem to want to give women all the choice and men all the responsibility.
    So you don't have any ethical opposition to abortions, its only if men have to share in the expense of them that it becomes a problem to you? Women already have the responsibility for carrying a child for nine months, how do you propose men compensate for that responsibility that is solely the female's. After that, both parents have the responsibility of caring for the child until adulthood. How is that unfair to men?
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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    You and others are missing the point, continuously. I have repeated myself several times in this thread, and in past threads about this.BOTH people "should have" been responsible. The man should have kept it in his pants and the woman should have kept her legs closed. Ok? I admit that.The issue here is that one gender bears more of the responsibility than the other, and that is the woman, because she has to carry the fetus. It is she who has to decide if she wants an abortion or she wants to have it because all the risk: financially, physically, emotionally, medically, socially, is ultimately her's. The man's situation is far more flexible. If the woman decides to have the baby, then that baby requires support. Who else do we turn to if the man gets to run away? The State, and that means public dollars. If the woman has to bear the burden of raising the baby, then the man must also contribute. This is about CHILD WELFARE and nothing else. People are removing the child aspect from their minds and only thinking about what is fair to the man. This is not about what is fair to the man OR woman, but the born child that needs support.Is this sinking in yet? I hope so, because I am tired of repeating myself to the deaf.
    OMG the risk, the risk, it is a miracle the human race has survived for all these thousands of years, since our reproduction is so horribly risky and dangerous.
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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    So you don't have any ethical opposition to abortions, its only if men have to share in the expense of them that it becomes a problem to you? Women already have the responsibility for carrying a child for nine months, how do you propose men compensate for that responsibility that is solely the female's. After that, both parents have the responsibility of caring for the child until adulthood. How is that unfair to men?
    9 months versus 18 years. you do the math
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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    as has been cited a variety of times in this thread, it's NOT about the father or the mom
    it's about the kid
    don't plan to support one, then make sure you do what is necessary to keep from having one
    whether you are man or woman


    and to the OP: man up!
    But it's obviously NOT about the kid. It's about power. If it were about the kid, then abortion wouldn't be an option as abortion is the death of that kid.
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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    OMG the risk, the risk, it is a miracle the human race has survived for all these thousands of years, since our reproduction is so horribly risky and dangerous.
    Um excuse me... my child's entry into the world involved a high risk pregnancy. Ever heard of pre-eclampsia? Try having a late-term pregnancy on top of blood pressure that threatens to send you into renal or cardiac failure, and then get try getting back to me with your unclever sarcasm. I can't imagine going through that against one's will. After that, I can totally respect the desire to have an abortion, if one chooses. The man should never get a legal say in the woman's pregnancy - that is between her and her doctor.

    And FYI, the U.S. has the highest infant/mother mortality rate in the western world, mostly because our health care system is expensive and inadequate.

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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    But it's obviously NOT about the kid. It's about power. If it were about the kid, then abortion wouldn't be an option as abortion is the death of that kid.
    This is disingenuous and you know it. Just because you believe that abortion is murder does not mean that it's a given. We're talking about born children here, in which there is no controversy about the preservation of life. If you want to start an abortion debate, create another thread.

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    Re: Child Support Payments

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    Um excuse me... my child's entry into the world involved a high risk pregnancy. Ever heard of pre-eclampsia? Try having a late-term pregnancy on top of blood pressure that threatens to send you into renal or cardiac failure, and then get try getting back to me with your unclever sarcasm. I can't imagine going through that against one's will. After that, I can totally respect the desire to have an abortion, if one chooses. The man should never get a legal say in the woman's pregnancy - that is between her and her doctor.

    And FYI, the U.S. has the highest infant/mother mortality rate in the western world, mostly because our health care system is expensive and inadequate.
    a single tear rolls down my cheek. as Ikari said, it's not about the kid, it's about power. you and yours want the women to have all the power...as long as the man has to pay for it.
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