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Do Higher-Incomes Work Harder than Lower-Incomes?

Do higher-incomes work harder than lower-incomes?

  • Yes, the higher-incomes work harder

    Votes: 7 15.9%

  • No, higher-incomes don't work harder

    Votes: 25 56.8%

  • Other

    Votes: 12 27.3%
  • Total voters
    44
MusicAdventurer said:
I notice you said "plenty" which means that you admit that not all have total aid packages and I also know plenty who had better grades than their wealthy friends and still could not pay tuition even after exhausting student loans. So stop trying to make yourself feel better by sicking your head in the sand.

Additionally, most of the wealthy have a free ride as they do not have student loan debt after college, while those less fortunate have a huge debt when they first get out of college. This means, hypothetically, if two equal individuals got jobs at the same place, the wealthy person would end up with more money even if their pay rate was the same. So how is this equal opportunity again?

Oh, and don't try to pull out the few exceptions where the employer pays the unpaid student loans. Those against equal opportunity love to point out the rare occasions where things worked out right. That argument is a just a cheap tactic meant to deceive those who don't know any better.

Again ... is this equal opportunity? ..... ?
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a free ride because they can pay their way?
 
Gipper said:
You don't think the University of Michigan is prestigious? Ross is a top 5 business school nationally, up there with the likes of the Wharton (UPenn), and Harvard Biz.

So yeah...not ridiculous. If you can't afford to go to Stanford or Duke or Yale for 4 years, don't expect loans to float you.
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Yale Business School is not one of their better professional schools. Their Law school is #1, the medical school is among the very best. The B school is more geared to public sector type stuff and does not get the same people who are also applying to Wharton, Tuck, Harvard, Stanford, Columbia, Michigan or Cornell. I never met anyone who saw Yale B school as the top possible choice, unlike the Law, medical and undergraduate programs
 
teamosil said:
Wait, what? How are they paying their way in that scenario? Presumably their parents paid for the school.
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depends when they go. I suspect Jodie Foster payed her own way through Yale, though I never asked her when I had the chance.
 
TurtleDude said:
depends when they go. I suspect Jodie Foster payed her own way through Yale, though I never asked her when I had the chance.
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Ok, so your question makes sense for like 1% of them... But for the rest...
 
teamosil said:
So you believe that the few dollars in welfare people get is enough to make them have kids they wouldn't otherwise have? Do you realize how idiotic that notion is? They're people, man. With brains. Not animals. Besides, the cost of raising a kid for 18 years is way higher than the welfare benefits you get for 5 years.
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i disagree with that notion, but it is fair to say that welfare doesn't cover all of the costs of raising a family.
 
evanescence said:
i disagree with that notion, but it is fair to say that welfare doesn't cover all of the costs of raising a family.
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You disagree with the notion that people who are on welfare are people with brains? You think they are animals?
 
teamosil said:
Ok, so your question makes sense for like 1% of them... But for the rest...
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I know a couple dozen people who paid their way through Yale. True it was a small amount. But to claim the rich had a free ride is a bit silly. Their families might have paid for them-that is not a free ride.
 
TurtleDude said:
I know a couple dozen people who paid their way through Yale. True it was a small amount. But to claim the rich had a free ride is a bit silly. Their families might have paid for them-that is not a free ride.
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Sure it is. That's a free ride to them. They didn't do anything to pay for it, they just got lucky by being born to rich parents.
 
teamosil said:
Sure it is. That's a free ride to them. They didn't do anything to pay for it, they just got lucky by being born to rich parents.
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Maybe they helped with their parents' business or farm. You seem rather envious
 
teamosil said:
Anyways, except for these oddball scenarios, you agree with MusicAdventurer then?



That is such a lame wingnut trick... Don't be silly.
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why mention it unless there is envy? I couldn't care less how someone else pays for college as long as I am not forced to do it.

I just tire of the constant whining on this board I see from an extremist group of lefties
 
TurtleDude said:
why mention it unless there is envy? I couldn't care less how someone else pays for college as long as I am not forced to do it.

I just tire of the constant whining on this board I see from an extremist group of lefties
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When will you get it through your head than nobody here envies you? Nobody wants what you claim to have. This is a matter of public policy and a difference of opinion about public policy.

You are like the conceited immature girl who whines "don't hate me because I am beautiful". Its a compliment to yourself while playing the victim at the same time. Its sad and its pathetic.
 
TurtleDude said:
why mention it unless there is envy? I couldn't care less how someone else pays for college as long as I am not forced to do it.

I just tire of the constant whining on this board I see from an extremist group of lefties
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You made a claim that I believe even you admit was false. The only options in your mind are pretending it's true, which it isn't, or being envious? You don't make any room for reason or truth as motives?
 
teamosil said:
You made a claim that I believe even you admit was false. The only options in your mind are pretending it's true, which it isn't, or being envious? You don't make any room for reason or truth as motives?
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Its not relevant
 
No. You'll find people who are rich, poor, comfortable, who don't do crap-physically or mentally. You'll find people who are rich, poor, comfortable who work their asses off, physically or mentally.
 
haymarket said:
When will you get it through your head than nobody here envies you? Nobody wants what you claim to have. This is a matter of public policy and a difference of opinion about public policy.

You are like the conceited immature girl who whines "don't hate me because I am beautiful". Its a compliment to yourself while playing the victim at the same time. Its sad and its pathetic.
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A pretty sad personal attack
 
TurtleDude said:
Its not relevant
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So your really are contending that I should love the rich so much that I don't even point out when people say lies in their favor? Otherwise I must just be envious? Has it ever occurred to you that if you are to the point where you won't even accept the truth being spoken about the rich that maybe it is your fetish, not other people's envy, that is distorting things?
 
teamosil said:
So your really are contending that I should love the rich so much that I don't even point out when people say lies in their favor? Otherwise I must just be envious? Has it ever occurred to you that if you are to the point where you won't even accept the truth being spoken about the rich that maybe it is your fetish, not other people's envy, that is distorting things?
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what truth? that some want the rich to pay more of their own bills? What part of being left alone don't you understand. I am not responsible for others being poor and I should not be charged to pull them out of poverty
 
TurtleDude said:
what truth? that some want the rich to pay more of their own bills? What part of being left alone don't you understand. I am not responsible for others being poor and I should not be charged to pull them out of poverty
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Oops, you said it again. We're talking about their parents paying their bills.
 
teamosil said:
Oops, you said it again. We're talking about their parents paying their bills.
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good, family ought to take care of family. Sure beats using coercion to make someone who has no connection to you having to pay for you
 
TurtleDude said:
good, family ought to take care of family. Sure beats using coercion to make someone who has no connection to you having to pay for you
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As long as you stop pretending they're paying their own way I guess that's a step.
 
teamosil said:
As long as you stop pretending they're paying their own way I guess that's a step.
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the family is. that is the building block of society
 
Morality Games said:
I continually hear people expressing this sentiment, and it has never seemed true to me. If work is defined as "effort over time", then how could someone like Bill Gates live long enough to earn his fortune, relative to that enjoyed by other people? Many doctors, example, seem to put more "effort over time" into their careers, without ever gaining anywhere near the sum of money Bill Gates enjoys.

Bill Gates obtained his wealth, not because of his own "effort over time", but because, in accordance with the conventions of capitalism, he networked himself into a position where he could compel others to sign a portions of their "labor over time" to him via contract. As long as this practice isn't pushed to its excesses, I don't have a problem with it, but getting wealthy through good networking is a significantly different process than earning your money through hard work.
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Actually Bill Gates came from a very wealthy family initially in the first place and his father was a great source of inspiration and funding for Microsoft.
 
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