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Do Higher-Incomes Work Harder than Lower-Incomes?

Do higher-incomes work harder than lower-incomes?

  • Yes, the higher-incomes work harder

    Votes: 7 15.9%

  • No, higher-incomes don't work harder

    Votes: 25 56.8%

  • Other

    Votes: 12 27.3%
  • Total voters
    44
Cephus said:
More effort results in more income than less effort, relative to the job that the work is done on.
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I've had very many experiences where this was not correct. Getting along and not standing out was the most important. Especially true in my military experience.
 
Gipper said:
Poor people work hard. Rich people work smart.

This is the difference of human capital. Anyone can push a broom or make change in a cash register. The number of people who can do what I do is significantly lower.
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The number of people who can do what I did was very small. What was more important and caused me to retire at 55 was not being in religious alignment with the most powerful organized religion based group where I worked. What is also interesting is that my retirement from the official work force enabled us to qualify as rich, but not by doing what I'm best at. BTW, the chief scientist, a co-member of our group but a technical grade above me, out processed with me. He didn’t fit in either.
 
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Well, when you work in the public sector, lines can get muddied a bit. It's the nature of the beast, and tends to only be the exception that defines the rule.
 
Gipper said:
Poor people work hard. Rich people work smart.

This is the difference of human capital. Anyone can push a broom or make change in a cash register. The number of people who can do what I do is significantly lower.
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I beg to differ on that one. Having worked with a very large number of people in retail, not everbody can make change correctly...even when the system tells you how.
 
Varying levels of idiot. Some people are math-deficient idiots, and some are "simple math only" idiots.

Know what's funny? When you give a large bill to a cashier that inputs the amount incorrectly, and couldn't figure out how to give you proper change at gunpoint.

That's another curse of minimum wage - even fools like this can get a job. Price floors are just obstacles for paying people what they're truly worth.
 
tessaesque said:
I beg to differ on that one. Having worked with a very large number of people in retail, not everbody can make change correctly...even when the system tells you how.
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Worse are tellers at banks who can't do the simplest math or make change.
 
Lets be fair...High Stress office jobs can be awful...and to many harder than a construction labor job...I think its relative some High earners dont do much at all and some have time consuming busy stressful jobs....Like Kali said what is hard....
 
Mr. Invisible said:
Those kids may have a natural talent. Either that or you are flat out lying. As to win world and olympic medals, you have no choice but to work hard.
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true but working as hard is not a guarantee of winning. and yes natural talent is the single most important factor.

the point is-there are at least a thousand boys born the same year as Roger Federer who worked just as hard in tennis and had just as much top coaching. Some of those guys are people you may have heard of-David Nalbandian for one. 990 you have never heard of and never will.
 
TurtleDude said:
true but working as hard is not a guarantee of winning. and yes natural talent is the single most important factor.
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PFFFFFFFT Britany Spears, Kim Kardashin, Paris Hilton:lamo
 
winston53660 said:
PFFFFFFFT Britany Spears, Kim Kardashin, Paris Hilton:lamo
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those people WON OLYMPIC MEDALS?

I realize you want to criticize my posts but I suggest reading the post before spewing
 
Everyone has a specific threshold unique to their own capabilities, IMO rich or poor has nothing to do with it.
 
Morality Games said:
So, you don't consider the possibility that hard work doesn't necessarily result in great wealth to be spiritually, morally, politically, or economically significant.
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Of course it doesn't usually result in wealth or financial comfort (nevermind wealth for many who work their asses off when financial comfort isn't even a possibility)

I don't know why you're equating 'hard work' with 'must earn more money' - whereas many companies favor 'higher education and more mentally capable individuals' over these 'physical labor oriented ones' because it's skills, education, experience that matters most - ALWAYS. Because there are less of these individuals whereas grunt work has a high-turnover rate.
 
Mathematician said:
You're going to have a hard time convincing me that anyone who bitches about being in a labor job couldn't have studied harder in school to get that job working in AC. While my friends in high school were playing Nintendo, I was reading and getting ahead in math and science. If I show the public the math I do for a living now, it should come as no surprise that they say "That looks hard."
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College is not for everyone and usually to get white collar jobs you must have a degree. Just because you are math smart does not make you smarter than the average blue collar worker out busting their ass doing hard labor. As a matter of fact some of those blue collar workers may be able to out debate you on any given subject.
 
Gipper said:
Poor people work hard. Rich people work smart.

This is the difference of human capital. Anyone can push a broom or make change in a cash register. The number of people who can do what I do is significantly lower.
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No Gipper everybody CANNOT push a broom or make change in a cash register.

This whole thread is yet another classism thread.
 
Kali said:
No Gipper everybody CANNOT push a broom or make change in a cash register.

This whole thread is yet another classism thread.
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Its never classism or classwarfare when they do it...its only the working class that uses class warfare...
 
TurtleDude said:
true but working as hard is not a guarantee of winning. and yes natural talent is the single most important factor.

the point is-there are at least a thousand boys born the same year as Roger Federer who worked just as hard in tennis and had just as much top coaching. Some of those guys are people you may have heard of-David Nalbandian for one. 990 you have never heard of and never will.
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Working hard at a job and working for olympic gold is two different things...athletics is aptitude and physical ability....if you dont have the physical capability doesnt matter how much you work at it...you will fail.
I dont see how that can be associated with....Do Higher incomes work harder than lower income
 
Kali said:
College is not for everyone and usually to get white collar jobs you must have a degree. Just because you are math smart does not make you smarter than the average blue collar worker out busting their ass doing hard labor. As a matter of fact some of those blue collar workers may be able to out debate you on any given subject.
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I agree college and white collar jobs aren't for everyone. One of my biggest pet peeves is when people complain about something they have (or had) the power to control. If you can't (or won't) work towards earning a white collar job then I don't want to hear your whining about your blue collar job.
 
Mathematician said:
I agree college and white collar jobs aren't for everyone. One of my biggest pet peeves is when people complain about something they have (or had) the power to control. If you can't (or won't) work towards earning a white collar job then I don't want to hear your whining about your blue collar job.
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Who says being white collar is better than blue collar?

I know some welders who possess eminence skills that a mathematician would be envious of.
 
Mathematician said:
I agree college and white collar jobs aren't for everyone. One of my biggest pet peeves is when people complain about something they have (or had) the power to control. If you can't (or won't) work towards earning a white collar job then I don't want to hear your whining about your blue collar job.
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What the shame is today that its not how hard you work to achieve the job you want anymore...its the specific job you work hard for...Today Highly educated teachers are being maligned by the tearparty as Union thugs and Lazy Public workers and thieves and some of them have more education than many other professions that make TONS more money. An educator with a doctorate has more education than a lawyer or an accountant
Police Officers today need a college degree....working hard does NOT mean success...some people are given success its handed to them...some just have a boss that likes them that moves them up....this notion that everyone that makes alot of money broke their ass to get it...is just pure hogwash
 
winston53660 said:
Who says being white collar is better than blue collar?

I know some welders who possess eminence skills that a mathematician would be envious of.
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I don't see too many white collar workers whining about not getting a blue collar job, contrary to the other direction. What matters is getting a job you enjoy.
 
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lpast said:
What the shame is today that its not how hard you work to achieve the job you want anymore...its the specific job you work hard for...Today Highly educated teachers are being maligned by the tearparty as Union thugs and Lazy Public workers and thieves and some of them have more education than many other professions that make TONS more money. An educator with a doctorate has more education than a lawyer or an accountant
Police Officers today need a college degree....working hard does NOT mean success...some people are given success its handed to them...some just have a boss that likes them that moves them up....this notion that everyone that makes alot of money broke their ass to get it...is just pure hogwash
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While working hard doesn't guarantee success, you'll have a tough time finding any reasonable examples of harder work reducing your chance of success.
 
Mathematician said:
I don't see too many white collar workers whining about not getting a blue collar job, contrary to the other direction. What matter is getting a job you enjoy.
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I know accountants who hate their jobs and would love to be furniture makers.
 
lpast said:
Its never classism or classwarfare when they do it...its only the working class that uses class warfare...
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Actually, go back and look at the OP and see if he started this thread with the intent to suggest that white collar workers are somehow better than blue collar workers. If anything, he's suggesting the opposite, so how is this a "classism" thread?

Incidentally, regarding the Bill Gates analogy, one thing that's being overlooked is that he took the risk of starting his business. Had it failed, the failure would be on his part and nobody would feel that was unfair. It's only now that he's a great success do some feel the amount of money he makes is, somehow, unfair.
 
X Factor said:
Actually, go back and look at the OP and see if he started this thread with the intent to suggest that white collar workers are somehow better than blue collar workers. If anything, he's suggesting the opposite, so how is this a "classism" thread?

Incidentally, regarding the Bill Gates analogy, one thing that's being overlooked is that he took the risk of starting his business. Had it failed, the failure would be on his part and nobody would feel that was unfair. It's only now that he's a great success do some feel the amount of money he makes is, somehow, unfair.
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I never said the thread was started or intended to be a classim thread but like all thread it morphs and some change the whole flavor of a thread...:)

Bill gates certanly did start his business in a garage and he didnt do it alone he had a partner...Allen who id bet was the brains behind it...Gates and Microsoft have a long history of stealing others technology and they were convicted for some..they crushed many a company on their rise and did much dirty crap....but You have to give Gates credit he started with nothing...the same with Dell a young guy started with nothing...I truly admire those guys...I admire that kind of gumption and they deserve what they get....but please dont try to tell me the lionshare of rich are like Gates and Dell and Jobs and some of the other big names....the list is endless of rich that didnt do squat...Paris Hilton, Anna Nicole Smith died a billionaire
How bout gates and Jobs and dells kids...hard life ? Do you realize how many 2nd and third gen money is out there that these rich just born into it..
It goes both ways
 
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