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    Re: Do Higher-Incomes Work Harder than Lower-Incomes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    College is not for everyone and usually to get white collar jobs you must have a degree. Just because you are math smart does not make you smarter than the average blue collar worker out busting their ass doing hard labor. As a matter of fact some of those blue collar workers may be able to out debate you on any given subject.
    Back before our current and recent generations when everyone assumes you need college for any kind of white collar jobs, there was a position that used to be called apprenticeship. This was used as a position for a freshman to be taken under the wing of a senior employee and be taught the inner workings of the business. Same also applies to the blue collar field, this position used used to be called journeymen. Some where down the line we picked up the assumption that we now need higher education to be successful in life, and with that we have turn our higher learning centers into diploma factories. Although there is a different need and requirement for higher education, in the fields of science, engineering, mathematics, medical and others.
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    Re: Do Higher-Incomes Work Harder than Lower-Incomes?

    Poor people work hard. Rich people work smart.

    This is the difference of human capital. Anyone can push a broom or make change in a cash register. The number of people who can do what I do is significantly lower.
    This is the general trend. I am sure, since you are supreme in intellect, that trends have outliers. The point that I am trying to convey is there are men and women out there that do everything right and are forced to work jobs that under-pays them in order to put food on the table.

    I will give you two examples.

    My father has an Engineering Mechanics degree from Virginia Tech as well as a MBA from Washington University. He does not have a PhD, however it would be alright to consider him educated no? Through both of his degrees, he created business plans that were approved and were sent twenty five years ago to the government. The government have programs that supposively funds humanitarian projects. Humanitarian is defined by a certain number of jobs that the project creates. If you create a project that fits this definition, you are then able to by law to receive funding from the federal government. This was twenty five years ago.

    Of course, my father had to do something else after a certain point because he was not getting paid for his work. And so, he even worked as head of the marketing department for a small business where I live. Once it was feared that he would be a better CEO than the current CEO (which he could of easily done) he was fired for something very stupid. Eventually, he had to go back to loading and unloading trucks to make sure I had food when I got home from school.

    Why wasn't my father paid? George Busch Junior said something like, "We can't have these trailer trash get all this money!" So apparently someone with an undergraduate degree and a masters degree is trailer trash. It's funny though, the project is moving forward since this recession because the government is desperate for jobs.

    I will now go to my second father.

    My best friend's father lost his job due to this horrible economy, and he has been a graphical artist for over thirty five years. When he was looking for a job, he wasn't even considered because of his age. Companies figured the cheaper health care premiums was worth the less experience. He was finally able to get a job, but he had to alter his resume to show less experience than he had so he would get the interview, and currently he is making about a third that he is worth, even though he has been doing graphical art longer than the lives of some of his co-workers.

    The reason why I am sharing this, is there are people that do everything society ask them to do. They are law abiding and they get an education like everyone else. My father had to resign NASA because he was doing his job so well! He got a promotion where he was the boss of men who have been in the agency twenty some odd years longer than him. When I was a NOC technician at a datacenter, since I was the favorite to get a promotion, my co-workers made it known that they did not want me there. It would increase the probability of their promotion if I was gone!

    And so if you were to define the American dream as you go to school and work hard you become successful, there are millions of Americans that goes against this ideal. Which means, the dream is dead and has been dead for a long long time.

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    Re: Do Higher-Incomes Work Harder than Lower-Incomes?

    My experience, hell yeah!

    If I defiine poor to have an income under 35,000 NZD and rich to have an income over 100,000 NZD. The rich do so many hours, while many of the poor don't even work or work part time. Also, the rich have to do tough courses at university.

    Of course, if I compare the superrich against the poor, I may get a different answer.

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    Re: Do Higher-Incomes Work Harder than Lower-Incomes?

    Quote Originally Posted by deltabtry View Post
    Back before our current and recent generations when everyone assumes you need college for any kind of white collar jobs, there was a position that used to be called apprenticeship. This was used as a position for a freshman to be taken under the wing of a senior employee and be taught the inner workings of the business. Same also applies to the blue collar field, this position used used to be called journeymen. Some where down the line we picked up the assumption that we now need higher education to be successful in life, and with that we have turn our higher learning centers into diploma factories. Although there is a different need and requirement for higher education, in the fields of science, engineering, mathematics, medical and others.

    Apprenticeships and Journeyman from what I remember mostly applied to the trades...electricians, plumbers, ironworkers, etc and I believe they still have those distinctions.
    I do agree that now they want college degree's where years ago they were never needed and still arent....somehow they have this notion that if you go to college for years...where you do more partying than hard work....somehow your a better person and will be a better employee...I dont buy that. if your going to college for a specific profession...and go beyond the basic 4 yrs in training...Ok...we all agree that Doctors need to be as trained as possible...but two years in some community college then metriculating to some half arse state college or univ for another two...isnt all that...
    I have an associates degree 3 yrs of credits total...and I did it with a full time job plus a moonlight job and 3kids...

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    Re: Do Higher-Incomes Work Harder than Lower-Incomes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali
    No Gipper everybody CANNOT push a broom or make change in a cash register.

    This whole thread is yet another classism thread.
    Um...yes. For all intents and purposes, anyone and everyone can push a broom. It's unskilled labor, and demands a wage due an unskilled laborer.

    It also has nothing to do with class. I'm middle class. I'm not some bourgeois lightning-hurler smiting the poor with my anger-bolts. I'm someone who went to college, paid my dues, and live a comfortable existence due to it, which allows these undereducated fleebs to pump my gas and take my money at Burger King.

    You also seem to forget that I speak in economic terms. You need to brush up on some stuff if you're going to have point-counterpoint. Things like "but that's not fair!" and "you're a classist!" are not legitimate arguments. Logic beats emotion every time out of the gate. You need another leg to stand on.

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    Re: Do Higher-Incomes Work Harder than Lower-Incomes?

    The harder the work, the lower the pay. I'll guarantee that.

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    Re: Do Higher-Incomes Work Harder than Lower-Incomes?

    No...the more physical the work, the lower the pay.

    I wouldn't want to lift cinder blocks any more than the construction worker would want to come into my air-conditioned office and do this week's payroll and bank reconciliation.

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    Re: Do Higher-Incomes Work Harder than Lower-Incomes?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    The harder the work, the lower the pay. I'll guarantee that.
    Thats true and thats OK...if the pay is fair and reasonable and the worker can survive on it....but that is not the case any longer...

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    Re: Do Higher-Incomes Work Harder than Lower-Incomes?

    You kidding me? My dad is retired GM. I've seen his paychecks. For unskilled line workers, he and his co-workers were making eye-popping amounts of money.

    It's not hard to go find a labor job that pays extraordinarily well. Problem is that not all of them pay that well, so you have many fighting for few.

    And the wheels on the bus go round and round....

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    Re: Do Higher-Incomes Work Harder than Lower-Incomes?

    Some yes, some no. In the aggregate, I'd say no.
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