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    Re: Do Higher-Incomes Work Harder than Lower-Incomes?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I guess when you raise a family and start having to pay for your kids you might get a different perspective than that of a law student. You seem to think that others have an unlimited claim on the wealth of the tax payers.
    No, I don't think so. Do you not get that your concerns in this issue are insanely petty compared to the concerns of a parent in that situation? It is just flat out ridiculous. It's like if I was your neighbor and I argued that you shouldn't be allowed to have kids because I didn't like the sound of crying. Just petty and selfish.

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    Re: Do Higher-Incomes Work Harder than Lower-Incomes?

    Quote Originally Posted by evanescence View Post
    i can't really disagree with that, but what can be done?
    that is a good point but we have to stop encouraging irresponsible breeding by those unable or unwilling to provide for their children. If someone wants the freedom to say have 5 children with 6 different sex partners, they should not be on the public dole. I have no problem putting such children in foster care and penalizing the brood mare financially and perhaps-if its egregious, sterilize them



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    Re: Do Higher-Incomes Work Harder than Lower-Incomes?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    No, I don't think so. Do you not get that your concerns in this issue are insanely petty compared to the concerns of a parent in that situation? It is just flat out ridiculous. It's like if I was your neighbor and I argued that you shouldn't be allowed to have kids because I didn't like the sound of crying. Just petty and selfish.
    so you think 17 year olds should have 4 kids by the time they hit 19?

    Why do I have a duty to fund that sort of breeding?



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    Re: Do Higher-Incomes Work Harder than Lower-Incomes?

    You want to encourage a better work ethic, get rid of the hourly wage and give everyone a salary with bonus potential. Right now, its better for poor people to slack off to squeeze out a few hours extra a work to have that extra $20/week or so.
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    Re: Do Higher-Incomes Work Harder than Lower-Incomes?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that is a good point but we have to stop encouraging irresponsible breeding by those unable or unwilling to provide for their children. If someone wants the freedom to say have 5 children with 6 different sex partners, they should not be on the public dole. I have no problem putting such children in foster care and penalizing the brood mare financially and perhaps-if its egregious, sterilize them
    I know of someone who has seven kids and is pregnant with her eighth. And yes, she's on the dole. Which is ridiculous. But I can't support government mandated sterilization. It is a horribly dangerous precedent to set, and one that I will never support no matter what happens. I originally wanted Andrea Yates sterilized, but someone pointed out that even though it wouldn't be wrong in her case, the precedent it would set in law would be terribly dangerous. I agree. I also hesitate to take kids away from their natural parents and put them into foster care. Foster care is already overrun with unwanted kids and abuse. It's a tough problem, and I admit that I have no answer for it.
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    Re: Do Higher-Incomes Work Harder than Lower-Incomes?

    Quote Originally Posted by evanescence View Post
    I know of someone who has seven kids and is pregnant with her eighth. And yes, she's on the dole. Which is ridiculous. But I can't support government mandated sterilization. It is a horribly dangerous precedent to set, and one that I will never support no matter what happens. I originally wanted Andrea Yates sterilized, but someone pointed out that even though it wouldn't be wrong in her case, the precedent it would set in law would be terribly dangerous. I agree. I also hesitate to take kids away from their natural parents and put them into foster care. Foster care is already overrun with unwanted kids and abuse. It's a tough problem, and I admit that I have no answer for it.
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    Re: Do Higher-Incomes Work Harder than Lower-Incomes?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    so you think 17 year olds should have 4 kids by the time they hit 19?

    Why do I have a duty to fund that sort of breeding?
    How can a 17 year old hit 19?

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    Re: Do Higher-Incomes Work Harder than Lower-Incomes?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    How can a 17 year old hit 19?
    to quote my good friend John McEnroe

    You cannot be SERIOUS



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    Re: Do Higher-Incomes Work Harder than Lower-Incomes?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    to quote my good friend John McEnroe

    You cannot be SERIOUS
    Obviously 17 year olds shouldn't have kids. In fact, people should plan to try to have kids when they can support them. But the notion that it is the government's job to try to force people to have kids when you want them to is repulsive. And, again, whatever petty concerns you have about the few pennies a day you pay in taxes for welfare just doesn't even register as a consideration whatsoever in a serious topic like that.

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    Re: Do Higher-Incomes Work Harder than Lower-Incomes?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Obviously 17 year olds shouldn't have kids. In fact, people should plan to try to have kids when they can support them. But the notion that it is the government's job to try to force people to have kids when you want them to is repulsive. And, again, whatever petty concerns you have about the few pennies a day you pay in taxes for welfare just doesn't even register as a consideration whatsoever in a serious topic like that.
    You didn't read what I said. The government currently has welfare policies that encourage the poor to breed. People should only bear children after they have established the ability to properly pay for the children they want to have



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