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    Re: Do Higher-Incomes Work Harder than Lower-Incomes?

    I was raised latchkey, took out tons of student loans, worked all through school, and graduated MCL.

    It's the same argument people make to excuse the behavior of others. Effort trumps opportunity every time out of the gate. Rich or poor doesn't matter. The true measure is how badly someone wants it.

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    Re: Do Higher-Incomes Work Harder than Lower-Incomes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    I was raised latchkey, took out tons of student loans, worked all through school, and graduated MCL.

    It's the same argument people make to excuse the behavior of others. Effort trumps opportunity every time out of the gate. Rich or poor doesn't matter. The true measure is how badly someone wants it.
    Latchkey, student loans and work study programs are all great examples of ways that the government helps the people who are willing to put in the effort dig themselves out of poverty. Good for you for taking advantage of them. Lets not deny future generations the same chances with all these massive cuts to that kind of program that the Republicans are ramming through.

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    Re: Do Higher-Incomes Work Harder than Lower-Incomes?

    I have absolutely no problems whatsoever with student loans. Credit built this nation. Were it not for loans, we'd be in hella bad shape. It's an investment. Not only will they get their money back, with interest, but they'll gain more tax revenue over the course of my life. Lucky them.

    What return on investment does welfare give? I'd be more inclined to believe in the state of welfare if I thought the chances were great that someone takes a helping hand until they were able to prop themselves up, and then become productive members of society. I'm sure there are many like that. They need to be brought to light more, because all I see and all I'm shown is the abusers.

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    Re: Do Higher-Incomes Work Harder than Lower-Incomes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    What return on investment does welfare give? I'd be more inclined to believe in the state of welfare if I thought the chances were great that someone takes a helping hand until they were able to prop themselves up, and then become productive members of society. I'm sure there are many like that. They need to be brought to light more, because all I see and all I'm shown is the abusers.
    Welfare isn't about the recipients. If it were we would make it available to everybody who needed it. But we don't. You can only get it if you have a young kid. It's really about taking the economic boot off the throat of their kids a little bit.

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    Re: Do Higher-Incomes Work Harder than Lower-Incomes?

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    Are you saying that you only worked during the summer? Last time I checked, that was afforded to only those who, either have scholarships, or who have parents who can pay their way through school. Everyone else works a job to live while going to school and some of them even get straight A's.
    Just have to chime in and say that I only worked (at least heavily) during summers too in college, for the most part, and I neither had (a) parents who could pay my way through school or (b) a scholarship.

    I did this by taking out student loans.
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    Re: Do Higher-Incomes Work Harder than Lower-Incomes?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil
    Welfare isn't about the recipients. If it were we would make it available to everybody who needed it. But we don't. You can only get it if you have a young kid. It's really about taking the economic boot off the throat of their kids a little bit.
    Don't you see that as a slippery slope though? Truth is that we should look at other factors. Perhaps we can go through someone's previous W-2s over the last 5-7 years. If someone on a McDonalds salary suddenly has a kid and grabs her tin cup, we need to put out a "closed" sign. We don't need to subsidize stupidity or, in this case, probable fraud.

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    Re: Do Higher-Incomes Work Harder than Lower-Incomes?

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Something to ponder next time you go to the movies or watch an NFL game, yes? Who contributes more to society--a nurse or an actor? A firefighter or a football player?

    I think the OP way overgeneralizes. What constitutes "hard" work depends on the job. What does "working harder" mean? More hours working or performing well or making lots of money? What about those who are well educated and in professions that don't pay well--the "caring professions"? Are they lazy/not working hard enough if they don't an area of their fields that pays better?

    I just don't think that it's all so cut-and-dried.
    Hard work is hard work

    It means coming home at the end of the day tired, either physically or mentally.

    It does not mean you get paid more, or infact deserve more pay. How much the position contributes to society does not matter either.

    Pay is determined by supply and demand. The more people that can do a specific job, the pay will be lower then if fewer people can do the job (of course doing the job means having employers believe you can do the job rather then whether or not you can)

    From the CEO down to the night janitor, the pay is typically determined by supply and demand, with some modifications based on certain aspects (Min wage, union contracts, compensation commitees)
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    Re: Do Higher-Incomes Work Harder than Lower-Incomes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Don't you see that as a slippery slope though? Truth is that we should look at other factors. Perhaps we can go through someone's previous W-2s over the last 5-7 years. If someone on a McDonalds salary suddenly has a kid and grabs her tin cup, we need to put out a "closed" sign. We don't need to subsidize stupidity or, in this case, probable fraud.
    You aren't saying that poor people shouldn't be allowed to have children are you? Eugenics bad.

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    Re: Do Higher-Incomes Work Harder than Lower-Incomes?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil
    You aren't saying that poor people shouldn't be allowed to have children are you? Eugenics bad.
    That's precisely what I am saying.

    They shouldn't be allowed to have a Porsche. They shouldn't be allowed to have a yacht. What makes this different?

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    Higher income earners don't necessarily "work harder." Some are just more intelligent, have developed skills that are more useful to more people, are more cunning, patient, socially competent, able to understand and play into the politics of the structures above their heads, took bigger risks that paid off. Possibilities are endless.

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