View Poll Results: What would a welfare that rewards self-sufficiency look like? Select all that apply:

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  • 1.) It would not allow recipients more than is needed to survive

    7 46.67%
  • 2.) The reward for getting off welfare would be: recipients could afford more than necessities

    3 20.00%
  • 3.) programs would be temporary (recipients can only be on welfare for a certain period)

    11 73.33%
  • 4.) It would grant small monetary payouts for every step forward

    6 40.00%
  • 5.) Recipients would experience a sufficiently higher standard of living after getting off welfare

    6 40.00%
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Thread: Is it possible to create a welfare system that rewards people to be self-sufficient?

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    Re: Is it possible to create a welfare system that rewards people to be self-sufficie

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Government run healthcare isn't free. You'll pay as much in taxes for "free" healthcare as you will for private insurance. I'd rather we focus on encourage self-growth and getting them out of that low-skill rut, so that they can find a job w/decent benefits that will allow for self-sufficience.

    The solution does not have to be more government.
    In the long run, it seems that it would cost people less overall. We spend a lot more money per capita on health care than any country that has UHC does. I don't see how it would cost that much more overall to change our system.

    Of course it wouldn't be free, and it shouldn't even be free to use. I could easily see a system where it was run like part of VA healthcare, where people are put into income/wealth based categories for payment.
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    Re: Is it possible to create a welfare system that rewards people to be self-sufficie

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    One of the big problems people have sited with our current welfare system is that it currently does not provide and incentive for people to get off welfare. How could a welfare system be created so that recipients would be motivated to get off welfare?
    I'll admit. I have never been on welfare and I don't know how it works. I used to think that being on food stamps meant you were on welfare, but somebody on food stamps told me that isn't true. You can work, be low income, but still qualify for food stamps. I don't know the qualifications or disqualifications, and I doubt most people do. I think welfare is just a scapegoat, and I will readily admit that I don't know how efficient and effective it is or is not. I don't know how easily abused it is, how often etc.

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    Re: Is it possible to create a welfare system that rewards people to be self-sufficie

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    In the long run, it seems that it would cost people less overall. We spend a lot more money per capita on health care than any country that has UHC does. I don't see how it would cost that much more overall to change our system.

    Of course it wouldn't be free, and it shouldn't even be free to use. I could easily see a system where it was run like part of VA healthcare, where people are put into income/wealth based categories for payment.
    The VA system where poor cleanliness and lack of oversight led to veterans being exposed to AIDS in multiple locations at varying times?

    Before we turn anything over to the government we need to make damn sure it's running as best it can. A lot can be done to change health care before we give it to the least efficient management system in the country.
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    Re: Is it possible to create a welfare system that rewards people to be self-sufficie

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Here's the "voluntary" aspect: You either accept the birth control or accept that any further children will result in social-services involvement and no increase in benefits.
    Again, from a pragmatic standpoint, I agree. But there is something coercive in that plan that will make it a legitimate target for a lot of negative reaction from the religious right, I am afraid. While you and I can see how practical such a solution might be, the folks who will be against it (who probably are not actually affected by it, but have moral qualms) will make very loud noise over it. I'm not saying we shouldn't push for it, just that we ought to be prepared for that opposition when it comes.

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    Re: Is it possible to create a welfare system that rewards people to be self-sufficie

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Prevention is key. I think college should include child development classes.
    College is too late in many cases.. we should be offering those classes in high schools.

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    Re: Is it possible to create a welfare system that rewards people to be self-sufficie

    Quote Originally Posted by Just1Voice View Post
    Again, from a pragmatic standpoint, I agree. But there is something coercive in that plan that will make it a legitimate target for a lot of negative reaction from the religious right, I am afraid. While you and I can see how practical such a solution might be, the folks who will be against it (who probably are not actually affected by it, but have moral qualms) will make very loud noise over it. I'm not saying we shouldn't push for it, just that we ought to be prepared for that opposition when it comes.
    I talk politics a lot, so I often hear "you should just run for office". My consistent response is, "I'd never be elected". My stances are rarely built for mass-approval, unfortunately. While there may be some pragmatic value to them, it's all about appealing to a wide base, and I can't do that.
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    Re: Is it possible to create a welfare system that rewards people to be self-sufficie

    Welfare is not that big of an outlay. I am not sure why it gets so much focus among the small government bunch given its fiscal size, but I guess its probably because its "welfare".

    Anyway, the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Act of 1996 did away with the concept of welfare being an open ended entitlement. Welfare in its current state:

    Ending welfare as an entitlement program;
    Requiring recipients to begin working after two years of receiving benefits;
    Placing a lifetime limit of five years on benefits paid by federal funds;
    Aiming to encourage two-parent families and discouraging out-of-wedlock births.
    Enhancing enforcement of child support.

    Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    That seems like a pretty incentive to get back to work if you can being that you can only get it for 2 years at a time and for no more than 5 years in your lifetime.

    The bigger welfare like programs are Medicaid, SCHIP, Disability, and HUD.
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    Re: Is it possible to create a welfare system that rewards people to be self-sufficie

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Receiving welfare should include mandatory work or participation in a 2-year certification program for a field experiencing growth or high job demand. Upon completion of said program you will have access to an additional 6 months of payments while you seek a job in that field. At the end of that additional 6 months all benefits are discontinued.

    Welfare recipients should also be mandated to take child development and intro to education classes as well as financial planning and money management classes.
    I knew somebody on welfare and she would be kicked off for a few years, but would find a way to get back on it. One thing about welfare is, it seems like it's all or nothing. You can't get a little bit if you have some income. People figure out, it's better to just accept welfare than it is to get a job that pays nothing. IDK... welfare should probably be a sliding scale. It should encourage people to work, and to also get education. I liked your post for the most part.

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    Re: Is it possible to create a welfare system that rewards people to be self-sufficie

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    Seriously? I totally disagree; insurance companies are supposed to make enough money off people with no or fewer disorders in order to make up for losses accrued via highly disordered individuals
    Yeah, seriously. I can't do my point justice with just flip off-topic remark like above, but if I had the power to design a health care system it would be unlike any other one in the world, it would avoid issues like moral hazard and adverse selection, it would have competition, it would have universality, it would have built-in mechanisms for cost control, but it would offend a lot of people along the way.

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    Re: Is it possible to create a welfare system that rewards people to be self-sufficie

    Here's the answer to your question. It's already been done in Wisconsin.....

    The Good News About Welfare Reform: Wisconsin's Success Story

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