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  • 1.) It would not allow recipients more than is needed to survive

    7 46.67%
  • 2.) The reward for getting off welfare would be: recipients could afford more than necessities

    3 20.00%
  • 3.) programs would be temporary (recipients can only be on welfare for a certain period)

    11 73.33%
  • 4.) It would grant small monetary payouts for every step forward

    6 40.00%
  • 5.) Recipients would experience a sufficiently higher standard of living after getting off welfare

    6 40.00%
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Thread: Is it possible to create a welfare system that rewards people to be self-sufficient?

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    Re: Is it possible to create a welfare system that rewards people to be self-sufficie

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    Actually, I think it best that if they repeat, that we just shoot them.

    Make them work and if they don't work, shoot them.
    Caution!

    Words may sometimes be written with a different actual intent in mind. ROFL!

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    Re: Is it possible to create a welfare system that rewards people to be self-sufficie

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Dog View Post
    Unfortunately, along the same lines there are some single mothers on public assistance who purposely get pregnant to increase the size of the benefit.

    it would be interesting to see some stats of # in a household receiving welfare, as the average HH size is quite low, overall. 2.6 maybe?

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    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Is it possible to create a welfare system that rewards people to be self-sufficie

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    Damn! Don't do this to me!!!

    Oh no. I hope you disagree with my answers.
    Lol!

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    I don't know whether or not it is a mental disorder. They should be treated one time and then once treated no more treatment or aid; unless, some charity wants to handle it. Actually, I think it best that if they repeat, that we just shoot them.
    YAY!! We disagree on something .. ... As a psychologist, I definitively believe they are mental disorders and I'm not sure shooting them is the answer, lol!

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    Make them work and if they don't work, shoot them.
    Again .. I don't think we agree on this one ...

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    Re: Is it possible to create a welfare system that rewards people to be self-sufficie

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    you're right, but don't all states have limits? florida has a lifetime limit of 5 years. you have to have a child in the HH to get welfare. you also do have to work, so a person is contributing. i'm not sure what other limits can be placed, logically.
    TANF is one of the last, original welfare programs.
    It has now changed, where EITC, state food stamp programs and Medicaid take the place of monthly direct cash payments.

    There is no time limit on EITC, State food stamps and Medicaid.
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    Re: Is it possible to create a welfare system that rewards people to be self-sufficie

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    it would be interesting to see some stats of # in a household receiving welfare, as the average HH size is quite low, overall. 2.6 maybe?
    Here is a place where you can find the latest numbers:

    http://www.census.gov/compendia/stat...es/11s0709.xls

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    Re: Is it possible to create a welfare system that rewards people to be self-sufficie

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    Disabilities are a different case.

    To the extent that someone is born with a disability, that's life lottery in action and any of us could have been struck, so I don't have a problem with the "winners" helping out those who are physically incapable of working.
    How do you feel about mental disorders? Do you consider them a form of disability? Do you consider them somewhat "lottery-like" in nature?

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    To the extent that a disability arises from living life and just having an accident, we should all be paying into our own insurance schemes to guard against such an event striking us. For kids, the insurance should be paid for by their parents. I've never had my house burn down, ever, but every year I pay insurance to cover me in case I get unlucky.
    Good point .. this is like mandatory car insurance right?

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    Re: Is it possible to create a welfare system that rewards people to be self-sufficie

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    Again .. I don't think we agree on this one ...
    Whew! I feel vindicated.

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    Re: Is it possible to create a welfare system that rewards people to be self-sufficie

    Easy... just reform welfare so it's not something that people only have when they're down on their luck. Universal support systems like healthcare, housing, and job placement will protect people from the ravages of poverty, and will remove any concept of "being on welfare". There will simply be a minimum standard of living, as opposed to any form of welfare.

    I also don't think we should discount that people naturally define themselves by what they do (at least in western culture). We determine our identities by our professions. No one really wants to describe themselves as "lazy bum". At least, not past college. The vast majority of welfare recipients try very hard to change their situation.
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    Re: Is it possible to create a welfare system that rewards people to be self-sufficie

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    Here is a place where you can find the latest numbers:

    http://www.census.gov/compendia/stat...es/11s0709.xls
    couldn't find them there...although i think the average household that receives welfare has 2.8 people. small, in other words.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Is it possible to create a welfare system that rewards people to be self-sufficie

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    How do you feel about mental disorders? Do you consider them a form of disability? Do you consider them somewhat "lottery-like" in nature?
    Incapacitating mental disorders are a disability but things like anxiety disorder or wanting to be a hermit, I don't consider to be disabilities worthy of public support.

    We all have baggage of some sort that we carry around. This is why I actually favor insurance companies doing genetic screening. There is no perfect genome. We all have to put up with something. Someone has a greater predisposition to breast cancer, someone else has a greater predisposition towards heart disease, etc. Some people have a greater predisposition to being bipolar and others towards depression. We all have to make our way in life with the cards that we've been dealt. It doesn't have to be an easy path. That however doesn't mean that if we are born particularly unlucky that we should just starve. If someone is suffering from severe schizophrenia, then I support society offering a helping hand because this person is severely handicapped in that they can't really function in reality. Not liking to be in public and around groups of people may make for unpleasant experiences when one is forced every morning to get up and go to work and to be around people and feel uncomfortable all day long, but society shouldn't be paying people welfare just so they can avoid discomfort in their lives. I don't want people to starve if they can't work, I don't really care if they are uncomfortable while working.

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