View Poll Results: What would a welfare that rewards self-sufficiency look like? Select all that apply:

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  • 1.) It would not allow recipients more than is needed to survive

    7 46.67%
  • 2.) The reward for getting off welfare would be: recipients could afford more than necessities

    3 20.00%
  • 3.) programs would be temporary (recipients can only be on welfare for a certain period)

    11 73.33%
  • 4.) It would grant small monetary payouts for every step forward

    6 40.00%
  • 5.) Recipients would experience a sufficiently higher standard of living after getting off welfare

    6 40.00%
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Thread: Is it possible to create a welfare system that rewards people to be self-sufficient?

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    Re: Is it possible to create a welfare system that rewards people to be self-sufficie

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    MINE, MINE, MINE ... where have I heard that before .. oh yeah, from selfish 2 year olds (they can't help it though)

    I've never seen a bigger group of whiners when it comes to paying taxes. Listen guys, there are lots of things I don't want to see my tax dollars go to, but they go there anyway .. if you want to change it, then start a movement about it .. if you hate the poor so much .. go ahead, start a petition, drive those poor people farther into the ground .. I'm going to focus my energy on leaving the poor alone and lobbying against useless spending like the "war on marijuana and hemp", our government encouraged addiction to foreign fuel sources, our excessive military occupation and so on .. stop trying to pick on the little guys and pick a good fight for once!
    As much as the right and psuedo-libertarians despise the poor and welfare, they never attack corporate welfare with the same amount of vigor.

    It is almost an axiom.

    I am a very libertarian in nature, but this is the main reason why I like to distance myself from them. They are completely silent on corporate welfare and how it creates a plutocracy while going after personal welfare which is such a small amount of the budget. It is ****ing absurd.
    Last edited by Antiderivative; 08-26-11 at 04:41 AM.

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    Re: Is it possible to create a welfare system that rewards people to be self-sufficie

    Quote Originally Posted by Antiderivative View Post
    As much as the right and psuedo-libertarians despise the poor and welfare, they never attack corporate welfare with the same amount of vigor.

    It is almost an axiom.
    When we are talking about corporate welfare you will hear my hate for it, I think that is fair.

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    Re: Is it possible to create a welfare system that rewards people to be self-sufficie

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Oh so the conservative states get the money. Yes? So when liberal states ask for money, which is often, you overlook it?
    This is a mostly bogus statistic because it includes federal transfers like Social Security checks going to retirees who've moved South and military spending for bases in the South because San Francisco would go apoplectic if a military based was set up in Marin County.

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    Re: Is it possible to create a welfare system that rewards people to be self-sufficie

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I'm sorry you need my money for your wants and desires. Maybe you should should pay for them and take some responsibly for your own wants and desires?
    Hey buddy, I pay for your wants and desires too.. when did you not understand that?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Have you ever seen some of my posts? You really should and you will see I don't pick on the poor as much as I pick fights with things across the board. I have no wants and desires from government other than police, military, courts and a money supply.

    I'm sorry you need, but asking me goes a long way.
    If you had any inkling of what only those services would do to our country, including you and me .. you'd think twice about that assertion. You and I need and rely on many more services than that and you don't even realize it. Have you been paying attention to anything I have been saying? Get rid of safety nets, progressive taxation and government regulations and you and I will both end up on the streets - end of story. The tax cuts for the uber-wealthy are already proving that to be true, i.e. look at our income disparity now as compared to in the past - it won't stop unless the government stops it.
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    Re: Is it possible to create a welfare system that rewards people to be self-sufficie

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    When we are talking about corporate welfare you will hear my hate for it, I think that is fair.
    We are talking about welfare right now. Feel free to express your hate for it now. Let me hear your roar.

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    Re: Is it possible to create a welfare system that rewards people to be self-sufficie

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    Hey buddy, I pay for your wants and desires too.. when did you not understand that?
    My wants are your wants. Protection of military, police, courts, and money are your wants and mine.



    If you had any inkling of what only those services would do to our country, including you and me .. you'd think twice about that assertion.
    I need to know what?


    You and I need and rely on many more services than that and you don't even realize it.
    Like?

    Have you been paying attention to anything I have been saying? Get rid of safety nets, progressive taxation and government regulations and you and I will both end up on the streets - end of story.
    I'm sure this argument has feet.

    The tax cuts for the uber-wealthy are already proving that to be true, i.e. look at our income disparity now as compared to in the past - it won't stop unless the government stops it.
    The tax cuts are not what is causing the separation to grow. So what are they causing exactly?

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    Re: Is it possible to create a welfare system that rewards people to be self-sufficie

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    This is a mostly bogus statistic because it includes federal transfers like Social Security checks going to retirees who've moved South and military spending for bases in the South because San Francisco would go apoplectic if a military based was set up in Marin County.
    Military bases are located in the South and the Southwest since they are the most impoverished parts of the country. Uncle Sam goes after the poor in order to fight for his wars. Yet, Republicans (not implying that you are), herald this as a patriotic duty.

    Military service is not about being patriotic, but about opportunity and there is something gravely wrong with this.
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    Re: Is it possible to create a welfare system that rewards people to be self-sufficie

    Quote Originally Posted by Antiderivative View Post
    Blaming poverty and the stagnation of HH income on immigration is absurd.
    US Census data found here.





    Hispanics are the fastest growing demographic group in the US, both from immigration and from births. The math here is very simple - what happens to the mean and median when lower income groups have a faster growth rate than higher income groups. Don't forget to account for the average household size variance between the groups.

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    Re: Is it possible to create a welfare system that rewards people to be self-sufficie

    When you normalize the data to adjust for inflation, the average "white" family was earning the same back in the 1960's (around $33k if I do believe). A $55k median HH income is roughly equivalent to a median HH back in the early 60's.

    I am not really sure what the rest of your nonsense post it about. (I am lying, but my honesty will get me in trouble. This is why I am not a fan of this forum since honesty will get me into trouble).
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    Re: Is it possible to create a welfare system that rewards people to be self-sufficie

    Quote Originally Posted by Antiderivative View Post
    As much as the right and psuedo-libertarians despise the poor and welfare, they never attack corporate welfare with the same amount of vigor.

    It is almost an axiom.

    I am a very libertarian in nature, but this is the main reason why I like to distance myself from them. They are completely silent on corporate welfare and how it creates a plutocracy while going after personal welfare which is such a small amount of the budget. It is ****ing absurd.
    You and others might want to refrain from making wild and crazy statements about people you don't know but think you know how and what they think.

    I am a Conservative therefore on the right and not only do I not despise the poor and those on welfare I have been there after having my identity stolen and all my money taken at the same time.

    It has taken nearly 6 years to partially recover from it and I am not alone, Conservatives are not all rich they just think for themselves and have a moral compass that works.

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